LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions.. last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching the edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I said hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the door. Allan
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, William L Houts <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This may be returning to a point in the conversation which we have long > since passed, but I'm still interested in the UFO thing. I've talked a > little about my one underwhelming UFO encounter, but I'm still interested in > some of the UFO baggage which has yet gone unpacked. In particular, I'm > interested in the alien abduction meme. What are these people dealing with? > They say, among other things, that aliens --Greys, Reptilians, and Nordics > among other varieties-- are breeding them with alien races to create > hybrids. Well. It hardly seems possible, as any offworld species, having > evolved many light years away would hardly be compatible with Earth > reproductive biology. And yet, I feel there's something compelling in these > accounts. Debunkers and critics claim these are sophisticated sexual > fantasies, but I really don't think so. Most abduction experiencers > ("experiencers")report reactions of feeling raped rather than ennobled by > these experiences. Betty and Barney Hill, probably the original parents of > the modern abduction account, were recorded during their post-abduction > therapy sessions and can be heard screaming in terror. Jacques Valee, > whom I have referred to in the opening message of this thread, compares this > abduction story to medieval accounts of abductions by fairies. > > I really don't think guys in space ships are raping earthfolk, but something > unusual is going on, and I would like to know, or at least speculate, on > what exactly is going on. Are these Space Age religious experiences, dressed > up in Star Trek costume? > > > --Bill > > > > > On 10/8/2012 4:05 AM, rigsy03 wrote: >> >> There is an area of the brain that stores certain memories. Also, I >> think memories can be provoked through associations (Proust).But this >> is an individual journey- not an explanation of our existence as a >> species. Since we are derived from fish I am hoping I was once a wily >> rainbow trout.:-) Anyway- I think memory makes sense of the past. >> Beliefs are wishful thoughts that will reward our behavior until >> proven otherwise- in this life and after death- but it does not >> successfully explain what has happened to all those anonymous >> millions. >> >> On Oct 7, 5:01 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I believe in the possibility of something god-like. I doubt this has >>> much to do with meeting it second left past the burning bush. Even >>> the prophet we dare not mention seems to have been created in retro to >>> control the new empire. Origin is endlessly deferred or nachtraglich >>> and it is interesting we don't carry the memories on our journey and >>> yet respond to fellowship and wider demands of the extended >>> phenotype. Memory, false or otherwise, seems to be about making sense >>> of the future. UFOs may be about of concerns, as in religion, as to >>> why we are here. I am protestant by inclination, finding organised >>> religion a control fraud. It could be our memories are unpacking when >>> our god-spots do their thing. It's interesting in general that we see >>> things that don't exist like demons, UFOs and visions. >>> >>> On 4 Oct, 16:34, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I do not think the schools are looking for the brightest but rather >>>> they >>>> are deliberately dumbing students down. Guess it is to keep them from >>>> learning to think for themselves. >>>> Allan >>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:37 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Not many are willing to put up with the chaos and violence of public >>>>> schools plus those who can afford it are thinking of the future >>>>> contacts and colleges they want for their children. Parents are sick >>>>> of the cultural garbage. >>>>> On Oct 4, 3:51 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Roughly the same thing going on here with confessional schools. The >>>>>> avoidance motif is where I see the problem begins. >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Catholic schools are rebounding to avoid public schools and are >>>>>>> attended by several faiths. The tuition is adjusted if one is a >>>>>>> parishoner, i.e. less tuition since you are expected to tithe, so it >>>>>>> probably works out to the same amount. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Gabby --it's great to meet you too. I don't know what >>>>> >>>>> happened with >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the name thing --I'm sure one William L. Houts is enough for >>>>>>>>> anyone. >>>>>>>>> --Bill >>>>>>>>> On 10/1/2012 10:02 AM, gabbydott wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hello Bill, I noticed that your screen name on the group website is >>>>> >>>>> rather >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> long. It reads: William L. Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William >>>>> >>>>> L. Houts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was wondering if this was your intention. >>>>>>>>> Maybe yes. Just so much, I do differentiate between heaven and >>>>> >>>>> afterlifeand their individual usability for corruption. Both terms are >>>>> somehow >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> related to the future, but the access is different. Sorry, I forgot >>>>> >>>>> to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> introduce myself. My name is Gabby (short for Gabriele), I am a >>>>> >>>>> Protestant, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> my first language is German, and I believe in God. I like to listen >>>>> >>>>> to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> other people's stories which is why I have learned to keep my own >>>>> >>>>> very >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> short. Nice meeting you. :) >>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 28, 2012 7:17:08 AM UTC+2, William L. Houts >>>>> >>>>> William >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wonder if humans do dream of uncorrupted worlds, in general. >>>>> >>>>> You'd >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> think that would be universal, and it does seem to be borne out by >>>>>>>>>> Western mythologies, with some exceptions. For instance, the >>>>> >>>>> Greeks had >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Olympus, but except for Heracles no one got to go there; everyone >>>>> >>>>> else >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> went to Hades, which was gloomy and boring if you were lucky >>>>> >>>>> enough to >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> land there in general population, and terrifying if the gods put >>>>> >>>>> you in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tartarus. And the Romans didn't seem to place faith in any sort >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> afterlife at all, which is one of the main reasons whyChristianity >>>>> >>>>> sold >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> like hotcakes. Eastern religions such as Buddhism had various >>>>> >>>>> hells and >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> heavens, but they were sort of besides the point: your karma is / >>>>> >>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> supposed to boil down to nothing and liberate you from the Wheel >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> Rebirth, which was supposed to put you in Nirvana, which was less >>>>> >>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Heaven than it was a Nowhere. And Taoism doesn't have much to say >>>>> >>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> heavenly afterworlds; its whole point is to make this world more >>>>> >>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and balanced and leaves heavens to the individual to figure out. >>>>>>>>>> But as to your question of whether humans long for uncorrupted >>>>> >>>>> worlds, I >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> think that besides the Abrahamic religions noone takes them very >>>>>>>>>> seriously. And I think they've got a point: I mean, if you're >>>>> >>>>> taking >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> your present existence at all seriously, then just what is an >>>>> >>>>> afterlife >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> supposed to be about? Are we supposed to be eating bonbons all >>>>> >>>>> day and >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> living in some version of American luxury? I'd like to believe in >>>>>>>>>> Heaven --which for me looks like a kind of liberal college town, >>>>> >>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> libraries and funky old cinema houses-- but all of that seems kind >>>>> >>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> empty if there's no gravitas, no seriousness. Without death, >>>>> >>>>> without a >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> final marker which howls at us, Do what you must do NOW and die >>>>> >>>>> knowing >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> that you've used your life well--without that, I think heaven >>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>> become kind of slouchy and boring, or worse. Unless, of course, >>>>> >>>>> what's >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> waiting for us on the other side is something superrational but >>>>>>>>>> beautiful, like being absorbed into the godhead, if such there be. >>>>>>>>>> So in answer to your question, I think we do dream of uncorrupt >>>>> >>>>> worlds, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> but if we examine them too closely, they tend to be bustable soap >>>>>>>>>> bubbles. And maybe I lack imagination, but I wonder, how could it >>>>> >>>>> be any >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> other way? Frankly, I'd like to be told how. I sound sensible >>>>> >>>>> about all >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> of this if a little pessimistic, but in reality I'm a scared >>>>> >>>>> ex-Catholic >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> who is terrified of death and wants to solve the Big Question >>>>> >>>>> before >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> they're performing Last Rites on his sorry ass. >>>>>>>>>> --Bill >>>>>>>>>> On 9/27/2012 7:20 PM, rigsy03 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I wonder where you put the mythological and religious >>>>> >>>>> other-worldlies- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> from gods to guardian angels, etc.? Or the construct of Dante's >>>>>>>>>>> "Divine Comedy", for instance. Do humans long for uncorrupted >>>>> >>>>> worlds? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 6:23 pm, William L Houts <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm with the pragmatists on the question of intelligent alien >>>>> >>>>> species. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Many scientists who speculate on this sort of thing --though >>>>> >>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> really aren't that many of them-- say that such species wouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>> resemble anything so comforting as a humanoid physiology, but I >>>>> >>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> they're partly mistaken. Surely there would be surprises in >>>>> >>>>> the way >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> nature cooks up life on other planets with radically different >>>>>>>>>>>> chemistries than our dear old Mama Earth. But I think there's >>>>> >>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> suppose that many alien species would resemble us. After all, >>>>> >>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> species we might imagine has to cope with gravity as it >>>>> >>>>> evolves. So >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> they're much more likely to evolve some form of locomotion which >>>>>>>>>>>> involves two, four or six pedal extremities (as Fats Waller >>>>> >>>>> calls >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> them) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> rather than three or five: even-numbered legs are less wobbly >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> amenable to balanced movement which consumes fewer calories. . >>>>> >>>>> Also, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> sense organs like eyes and ears are likely to be located in or >>>>> >>>>> close >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a head, as there is survival value in having sense organs >>>>> >>>>> located >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> close >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to a brain, or whatever such species might use for brains. >>>>> >>>>> Finally, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> everyone in the cosmos requires energy to get going, so they're >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> either >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> going to evolve photosynthesis and take their energy directly >>>>> >>>>> from >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> sun or suns, or they're going to take their sunbeams indirectly >>>>> >>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> consuming something lower in the food chain. I'm sure there >>>>> >>>>> are lots >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> evolution pathways I'm leaving out, seeing as I'm a curious >>>>> >>>>> poetrather >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> than a serious scientist type of guy, but I think these notions >>>>> >>>>> are, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Allan named other ideas of mine, sensible provisos. >>>>>>>>>>>> PS. I left out centipedes and millipedes with their scores of >>>>> >>>>> legs, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think y'all's get what I'm saying here. >>>>>>>>>>>> --Bill >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/27/2012 3:57 PM, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen any UFOs and tend not to be much interested in >>>>> >>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> who claim to have - at least without Bill's sensible provisos. >>>>> >>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> speed of thought as a brain process is slower than light-speed >>>>> >>>>> - but >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> then I'm basically a tropical fish realist. I'd have a bet >>>>> >>>>> that no >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> one in this group would really have much of a definition of >>>>> >>>>> light- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> speed and the Ricel curvature tensor, Euler Langrangian and >>>>> >>>>> the rest >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of Einstein's field equations. I mean no offence and don't do >>>>> >>>>> much >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this science myself. >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you point out to a physicist that the people from the >>>>> >>>>> future who >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have invented the time machine are in extraordinarily short >>>>> >>>>> supply >>> >>> ... >>> >>> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead > and boy are my arms tired." > > -- > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. I am a Natural Airgunner - Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. --
