politics of that era was an insanity affair.. Allan On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 3:03 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > The Crown had lost its head...I try to avoid Cromwell- some sort of > visceral dislike/fear. Swift was a master of rebuke. I think mostly of > the 19th and 20th centuries- Home Rule- the various characters > including Churchill's father- the "troubles". Besides the religious > issues, it was also a trade contest for influence. I suppose I was > drawn via Wilde, Yeats and Joyce. > > On Oct 11, 12:59 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> I know Rigsy they are just a house of snakes up there,, the english >> invasion of Ireland they were trying to blame on the Dutch.. it was >> Cromwell's reward by the english crown,, >> Still a bunch of snakes just like thier name sakes >> Allan >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:55 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > The Protestants of Northern Ireland are also known as Orangemen. >> >> > On Oct 10, 7:22 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Nah orange is the Netherlands,,, comes from the house of orange.. >> >> and yes the royal family like all royal families are houses of >> >> snakes.. >> >> >> Yes dream wizard in place; need regular reports so we can fix the >> >> errors lol >> >> Allan >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:07 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > What interesting dreams from an interesting person. Could orange >> >> > snakes represent Northern Ireland? I usually dream about people and >> >> > interactions- mostly people I really know/have known and am often >> >> > surprised that they made it into my dreams. Maybe it's unfinished >> >> > business? I think some part of dreams is like cleaning up the computer >> >> > via the "dream wizard"- but what do I know?//Re UFO's, etc.- it seems >> >> > to be humans have a universal hunger for alternative worlds of some >> >> > sort whether myth, religion or outer space due primarily because of >> >> > their disappointments and frustrations with real life. And some >> >> > worldly ambitions/cultures also fill this need via false hopes and day >> >> > dreams. >> >> >> > On Oct 9, 2:50 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Every time we think about a possible future, we tear up the pages of >> >> >> our autobiographies and stitch together the fragments into a montage >> >> >> that represents the new scenario. This process is the key to foresight >> >> >> and ingenuity, but it comes at the cost of accuracy, as our >> >> >> recollections become frayed and shuffled along the way. It's not >> >> >> surprising that we confuse memories and imagination, considering that >> >> >> they share so many processes. >> >> >> I'm sure from the way Bill handles words he knows he may: >> >> >> 1 - have seen a UFO >> >> >> 2 - dreamed he was seeing a UFO or hallucinated >> >> >> 3 - be making up the story (no accusations) >> >> >> >> Trauma is very difficult to pin to actual experience and origin. >> >> >> There are real victims who tell stories that aren't true and people >> >> >> who were never victims who claim to be (as in the 'experts' or ritual >> >> >> abuse). My own 'UFO' was in a time of dreams when in therapy after >> >> >> some nasty stuff. It started as a swan, became Concorde and then flew >> >> >> off to the stars. Other dreams included me killing a tiger (that slid >> >> >> under my bedroom door cartoon-style) and walking up river with orange >> >> >> snakes passing me by until one turned to bite me becoming a glove >> >> >> puppet. I killed the tiger with an ashtray made from an eight-inch >> >> >> shell casing and really broke a floorboard. The glove puppet was my >> >> >> old dog (Arthur). I was saved by my father having opened my bedroom >> >> >> window with some intent to fly. I have had nightmares ever since at >> >> >> this time of year - the images are always fantastic and not obviously >> >> >> connected to the real lousy experience I can rationally explain. >> >> >> >> Voyager is a UFO now having finally left the solar system. I know of >> >> >> no reports in which the aliens show us a better world and way to live. >> >> >> >> On 9 Oct, 14:54, William L Houts <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hi James! >> >> >> >> > You know, I can really see from the psychology angle, too. You >> >> >> > remind >> >> >> > me that Carl Jung was very interested in the phenomenon, and saw the >> >> >> > appearance of UFO's as emblematic of wholeness and integration. OF >> >> >> > course, he hadn't seen abduction folks waking up with night terrors. >> >> >> >> > As for me, I don't really know where I stand. As I noted in one of >> >> >> > my >> >> >> > original posts, I have actually seen a flying saucer, though it >> >> >> > didn't >> >> >> > strike me then and still doesn't strike me now as a very >> >> >> > extraordinary >> >> >> > event. But then, like Zaphod Beelebrox of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to >> >> >> > the Galaxy", I've seen some weird stuff --some weird, paranormal >> >> >> > stuff, >> >> >> > not to put too fine a point on it. Even so, I tend to see those >> >> >> > things >> >> >> > as a kind of sideshow. The real stuff concerns questions like, "How >> >> >> > are >> >> >> > we going to feed all these people?", "How should the world's >> >> >> > resources >> >> >> > be accounted for and distributed in a world facing gross pollution >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > incresingly scarce resources?", and finally "Where is fancy bred? In >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > heart, or in the head?" >> >> >> >> > --Bill >> >> >> >> > On 10/8/2012 7:32 PM, James wrote: >> >> >> >> > > Hello Bill, welcome to the group. Don't take me with any authority >> >> >> > > but >> >> >> > > I lean toward the psychology opinion on this, but then I haven't >> >> >> > > specifically had any reason to categorize any of my own >> >> >> > > experiences as >> >> >> > > an 'encounter', 'abduction' or cross-pollination attempt. Purely >> >> >> > > out >> >> >> > > of the privilege of ignorance on my part, for brevity. >> >> >> >> > > We've been experimenting with genetic manipulation for some time >> >> >> > > now, >> >> >> > > albeit in a rudimentary fashion mostly. I imagine that a species >> >> >> > > advanced enough for interstellar or dimensional travel would be >> >> >> > > further ahead in that area too. The hard part is imagining what >> >> >> > > need >> >> >> > > there would be, why bother to sample more than a few, why not grab >> >> >> > > bushmen and keep a low profile? >> >> >> >> > > If we ignore the technology assumption and replace it with a >> >> >> > > species >> >> >> > > that evolved radically different from us and quickly or >> >> >> > > fundamentally >> >> >> > > relied on things we can't imagine our tech doing yet then there >> >> >> > > might >> >> >> > > be some value in what we would see as a devolutionary approach, >> >> >> > > whereas the species gains immense knowledge by merging with other >> >> >> > > advanced species (or a sampling, not necessarily most advanced but >> >> >> > > they would seem most viable), that otherwise they couldn't achieve >> >> >> > > naturally. From the merge can be derived valuable adaptations and >> >> >> > > characteristics which they could incubate as long as needed or just >> >> >> > > pack up and move on while building an interstellar genetic >> >> >> > > library. Or >> >> >> > > they might just be preparing us for the overlord species to >> >> >> > > arrive. heh >> >> >> >> > > On 10/8/2012 3:54 PM, William L Houts wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> Heh, I sort of expected that the topics discussed here are >> >> >> > >> somewhat more >> >> >> > >> serious than alien abductions and the rest of the fare which gets >> >> >> > >> served >> >> >> > >> on the George Noory radio show. I can do that, but for now I >> >> >> > >> guess I'll >> >> >> > >> watch from the sidelines until there's something I can really >> >> >> > >> swat with >> >> >> > >> my conversational tennis raquet. In the meantime, here's sending >> >> >> > >> beneficent zen rays to you, my lightning-smart Net friends. >> >> >> >> > >> --Bill >> >> >> >> > >> On 10/8/2012 11:16 AM, Allan H wrote: >> >> >> > >>> LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad >> >> >> > >>> Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien >> >> >> > >>> abductions.. >> >> >> > >>> last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi >> >> >> > >>> involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his >> >> >> > >>> friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes >> >> >> > >>> stretching the >> >> >> > >>> edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I >> >> >> > >>> said >> >> >> > >>> hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the >> >> >> > >>> door. >> >> >> > >>> Allan >> >> >> >> > >>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, William L Houts >> >> >> > >>> <[email protected]> >> >> >> > >>> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >>>> This may be returning to a point in the conversation which we >> >> >> > >>>> have >> >> >> > >>>> long >> >> >> > >>>> since passed, but I'm still interested in the UFO thing. I've >> >> >> > >>>> talked a >> >> >> > >>>> little about my one underwhelming UFO encounter, but I'm still >> >> >> > >>>> interested in >> >> >> > >>>> some of the UFO baggage which has yet gone unpacked. In >> >> >> > >>>> particular, >> >> >> > >>>> I'm >> >> >> > >>>> interested in the alien abduction meme. What are these people >> >> >> > >>>> dealing >> >> >> > >>>> with? >> >> >> > >>>> They say, among other things, that aliens --Greys, Reptilians, >> >> >> > >>>> and >> >> >> > >>>> Nordics >> >> >> > >>>> among other varieties-- are breeding them with alien races to >> >> >> > >>>> create >> >> >> > >>>> hybrids. Well. It hardly seems possible, as any offworld >> >> >> > >>>> species, >> >> >> > >>>> having >> >> >> > >>>> evolved many light years away would hardly be compatible with >> >> >> > >>>> Earth >> >> >> > >>>> reproductive biology. And yet, I feel there's something >> >> >> > >>>> compelling in >> >> >> > >>>> these >> >> >> > >>>> accounts. Debunkers and critics claim these are sophisticated >> >> >> > >>>> sexual >> >> >> > >>>> fantasies, but I really don't think so. Most abduction >> >> >> > >>>> experiencers >> >> >> > >>>> ("experiencers")report reactions of feeling raped rather than >> >> >> > >>>> ennobled by >> >> >> > >>>> these experiences. Betty and Barney Hill, probably the original >> >> >> > >>>> parents of >> >> >> > >>>> the modern abduction account, were recorded during their >> >> >> > >>>> post-abduction >> >> >> > >>>> therapy sessions and can be heard screaming in terror. Jacques >> >> >> > >>>> Valee, >> >> >> > >>>> whom I have referred to in the opening message of this thread, >> >> >> > >>>> compares this >> >> >> > >>>> abduction story to medieval accounts of abductions by fairies. >> >> >> >> > >>>> I really don't think guys in space ships are raping earthfolk, >> >> >> > >>>> but >> >> >> > >>>> something >> >> >> > >>>> unusual is going on, and I would like to know, or at least >> >> >> > >>>> speculate, on >> >> >> > >>>> what exactly is going on. Are these Space Age religious >> >> >> > >>>> experiences, >> >> >> > >>>> dressed >> >> >> > >>>> up in Star Trek costume? >> >> >> >> > >>>> --Bill >> >> >> >> > >>>> On 10/8/2012 4:05 AM, rigsy03 wrote: >> >> ... >> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > > >
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