By coincidence of a former discussion, Faust was draining a swamp as part of his spiritual rehab.//Another subject, however, would be the wetlands and their role in the ecology.
On Nov 12, 6:11 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > The Dutch are crazy a and very adept at working with the sea.. and yes > it cost massive supplying its own power amounts of money.. but land > recovery is and can be very beneficial to the society. We have to > protect our dunes to protect our country.. there is very little sea > front property unlike both the east ans west coasts of the US.. > where the coast is used mainly for private residences > > The dutch have been using green houses for years long before Israel,, > the concept of vertical greenhouses id one for producing produce in > areas where it is needed like high density cities where space is at a > premium and population is at its maximum.. trying to bring down the > cost of food.. and it is based on hydroponics and objectively to be > self sufficient power wise.. the idea is not particularly cheap but > as for the benefit of society is extremely valuable. > > Some ideas need to be looked at in relationship to self. > Allan > > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:59 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Israel has been very successful with greenhouse agriculture. A nearby > > restaurant contracted with local homeowners to grow some fresh produce > > which might catch on. I consider the labor and high water usage a > > negative, however. > > > On Nov 11, 5:23 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't think that will work,, I think your solution would result in > >> wide spread famine world wide though the chemical farmers are not the > >> best solution they are not the worst either from supermarkets to > >> farmers markets would again result in wide spread hunger and famine.. > >> corporations have the ability to preserve food and spread it trough > >> out the world where it is needed.. one of the problems is > >> distribution .. and production.. at one time I owned approximately > >> 200 hectors of land could grow wheat on some of it and grass that was > >> about it.. the other was so let me put it my best crops were rocks.. > >> Dad and I built a house out of them.. > > >> Using today's technology if we created a vertical green house (my dad > >> and I discussed it some 40 - 45 years ago) of creating a vertical > >> green house.. My father's knowledge was the most advance in > >> hydroponics there still was a lot lacking and he continued to do > >> research.. > > >> But Andrew instead of using all of our land to maybe poorly feed 50.. > >> with today's technology using a vertical green house we could easily > >> feed 50,000 people in and ecologically friendly manner ,, that would > >> include providing protein other than vegetables. > > >> Stepping backwards is not a solution. > >> Allan > > >> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:01 AM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > The solution to all this mess is to abandon the misled scientists, the > >> > harmful engineers and the speculating marketeers and to return to nature > >> > and > >> > organic farming embodying ecological principles that are sustainable and > >> > have been sustained for billions of years. Return farms from corporate > >> > chemical farmers with their monocultures back to family run farms. Turn > >> > the > >> > super markets back into farmer markets. The game that values profits > >> > higher > >> > than democracy, human rights and environmental protection must be > >> > abandoned > >> > in order to survive. > > >> > On Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:57:20 AM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > >> >> There has been fears of over population for centuries now.. you have > >> >> only pointed to problems that are already well know. At the same time > >> >> I do not read any possible soutions. > > >> >> How are the problems solved realistically or not realistic manner.. > >> >> you never know where the solution comes from. > >> >> Allan > > >> >> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:47 AM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Just as nature abhors a vacuum, tearing down anything too big, too > >> >> > high, > >> >> > and > >> >> > diluting anything too concentrated, globalization is a threat to > >> >> > mankind. > >> >> > See YouTube video "Globalization, Simplified" > > >> >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH41I-4uD-E&list=UU9rOAPUfZe3KEja0vvFp... > > >> >> > Text of Video > > >> >> > While the population is exponentially exploding, the earth housing > >> >> > them > >> >> > is > >> >> > exponentially shrinking. It is as easy to travel and communicate > >> >> > across > >> >> > the > >> >> > globe today as it was across the neighborhood a century ago. This > >> >> > opens > >> >> > the > >> >> > doors up wide to globalization and forces everyone to play the same > >> >> > game. > >> >> > Instead of giving the weak and poor players an advantage to make the > >> >> > game > >> >> > more fair and meaningful, the playing field is leveled ensuring that > >> >> > the > >> >> > strong and wealthy players become unbeatable. > > >> >> > Money, the measure of value of the goods and services traded, has > >> >> > turned > >> >> > into a rubber band measuring tape that can be and is stretched and > >> >> > shrunk by > >> >> > greedy speculators seeking short term profits. This causes great long > >> >> > term > >> >> > suffering and sickening hardships. To ease the sufferings and > >> >> > temporarily > >> >> > cover up illnesses, pharma industry churns out pills for all ills to > >> >> > those > >> >> > who could afford them. > > >> >> > The media has become the massage and its deafening message is to > >> >> > consume. > >> >> > Those few who control the media have hijacked values and brainwashed > >> >> > people > >> >> > into satisfying their short term addictive wants ahead of their long > >> >> > term > >> >> > needs. > > >> >> > When the criminal sectors who specialize in dealing with drugs, arms > >> >> > and > >> >> > slaves are globalized, they easily recruit the desperate poor to do > >> >> > the > >> >> > dirty work for them and hire politicians to cover up all that dirt. > >> >> > The > >> >> > then > >> >> > use greedy banksters to launder their dirty money clean of any traces > >> >> > of > >> >> > stains. > > >> >> > Visions have become impaired by short sightedness and blinded by > >> >> > brilliant > >> >> > flashes of seductive images. Companies with their narrow fields of > >> >> > interests > >> >> > follow principles and pursue goals that are unsustainable. They grow > >> >> > until > >> >> > they are “too big to fail or nail” and end up being corporate welfare > >> >> > cases > >> >> > supported and subsidized by the poor masses. > > >> >> > Biotechnology dressed up as green and gene revolutionaries promise to > >> >> > save > >> >> > hungry people from starvation. Like the communists and the global > >> >> > capitalists, they are corrupt at heart as their sole interest is > >> >> > accumulating wealth for themselves. The scientists and the politicians > >> >> > representing them are easily bought and mislead. Instead of feeding > >> >> > an > >> >> > overpopulated world, they are killing the soil and enslaving the > >> >> > people > >> >> > into > >> >> > a dependance on the food they process. They enrich the impoverished > >> >> > foods > >> >> > with chemicals and color and package them in expensive attractive > >> >> > boxes > >> >> > to > >> >> > make them look fresh. Then they transport the foods thousands of > >> >> > kilometers > >> >> > in polluting trucks to the supermarkets for the gullible hungry masses > >> >> > who > >> >> > line up like sheep to buy them. > > >> >> > Most innovations in food biotechnology are profit driven rather than > >> >> > need > >> >> > driven. Agro-industry ruins the soil, perpetuates social injustice and > >> >> > endangers the ecological balance in our environment. Depleted soils > >> >> > are > >> >> > infused with chemical fertilizers and monocultures are sprayed with > >> >> > ever > >> >> > increasing and ever powerful poisons. This practice favours large > >> >> > corporate > >> >> > farms who could afford this expensive technology and forces most of > >> >> > the > >> >> > traditional single-family farmers to abandon their lands. > > >> >> > Plants are genetically modified to be resistant to a specific toxin > >> >> > which > >> >> > kills all other plants. Crops are genetically modified with “terminal” > >> >> > genes > >> >> > making their seeds infertile and making the farmers dependent on > >> >> > having > >> >> > to > >> >> > buy seeds each year for the next year`s harvests. The bees, needed to > >> >> > fertilize seeds of all other naturally grown plants are slowly killed > >> >> > off > >> >> > with these practices, placing all of nature in a very critical > >> >> > situation. > >> >> > The manufacturers of these plants with terminal genes however find > >> >> > themselves in a very lucrative monopoly controlling the entire world`s > >> >> > food > >> >> > supply. > > >> >> > The reasons people go hungry are political and not technical, with the > >> >> > greedy rich and powerful controlling the production and distribution > >> >> > of > >> >> > their food. What life science corporations have in common is a narrow > >> >> > understanding of life based on the erroneous belief that nature can be > >> >> > subjected to human control. With powerful lobbying tactics, they have > >> >> > bought > >> >> > and convinced politicians to allow patenting of life forms. Patents, > >> >> > making > >> >> > life into a commodity to be bought and sold at the highest price, are > >> >> > given > >> >> > to sequences of DNA codes that life wrote for all of nature. By > >> >> > depleting > >> >> > natural resources and reducing the planet's biodiversity, the very > >> >> > fabric of > >> >> > life on which everybody's well being depends on are damaged. > > >> >> > The solution to all this mess is to abandon the misled scientists, the > >> >> > harmful engineers and the speculating marketeers and to return to > >> >> > nature > >> >> > and > >> >> > organic farming embodying ecological principles that are sustainable > >> >> > and > >> >> > have been sustained for billions of years. Return farms from corporate > >> >> > chemical farmers with their monocultures back to family run farms. > >> >> > Turn > >> >> > the > >> >> > super markets back into farmer markets. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
