One of the Faust stories more or less predicts the mechanism for the rise of Nazi Germany including the funding.
On 13 Nov, 19:33, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > Wetlands are very important. The recovery work here was done centuries > ago.. and here we are very eco awe. > Allan > > Matrix ** th3 beginning light > On Nov 13, 2012 2:03 PM, "rigsy03" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > By coincidence of a former discussion, Faust was draining a swamp as > > part of his spiritual rehab.//Another subject, however, would be the > > wetlands and their role in the ecology. > > > On Nov 12, 6:11 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The Dutch are crazy a and very adept at working with the sea.. and yes > > > it cost massive supplying its own power amounts of money.. but land > > > recovery is and can be very beneficial to the society. We have to > > > protect our dunes to protect our country.. there is very little sea > > > front property unlike both the east ans west coasts of the US.. > > > where the coast is used mainly for private residences > > > > The dutch have been using green houses for years long before Israel,, > > > the concept of vertical greenhouses id one for producing produce in > > > areas where it is needed like high density cities where space is at a > > > premium and population is at its maximum.. trying to bring down the > > > cost of food.. and it is based on hydroponics and objectively to be > > > self sufficient power wise.. the idea is not particularly cheap but > > > as for the benefit of society is extremely valuable. > > > > Some ideas need to be looked at in relationship to self. > > > Allan > > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:59 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Israel has been very successful with greenhouse agriculture. A nearby > > > > restaurant contracted with local homeowners to grow some fresh produce > > > > which might catch on. I consider the labor and high water usage a > > > > negative, however. > > > > > On Nov 11, 5:23 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I don't think that will work,, I think your solution would result in > > > >> wide spread famine world wide though the chemical farmers are not the > > > >> best solution they are not the worst either from supermarkets to > > > >> farmers markets would again result in wide spread hunger and famine.. > > > >> corporations have the ability to preserve food and spread it trough > > > >> out the world where it is needed.. one of the problems is > > > >> distribution .. and production.. at one time I owned approximately > > > >> 200 hectors of land could grow wheat on some of it and grass that was > > > >> about it.. the other was so let me put it my best crops were rocks.. > > > >> Dad and I built a house out of them.. > > > > >> Using today's technology if we created a vertical green house (my dad > > > >> and I discussed it some 40 - 45 years ago) of creating a vertical > > > >> green house.. My father's knowledge was the most advance in > > > >> hydroponics there still was a lot lacking and he continued to do > > > >> research.. > > > > >> But Andrew instead of using all of our land to maybe poorly feed 50.. > > > >> with today's technology using a vertical green house we could easily > > > >> feed 50,000 people in and ecologically friendly manner ,, that would > > > >> include providing protein other than vegetables. > > > > >> Stepping backwards is not a solution. > > > >> Allan > > > > >> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:01 AM, andrew vecsey < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > The solution to all this mess is to abandon the misled scientists, > > the > > > >> > harmful engineers and the speculating marketeers and to return to > > nature and > > > >> > organic farming embodying ecological principles that are > > sustainable and > > > >> > have been sustained for billions of years. Return farms from > > corporate > > > >> > chemical farmers with their monocultures back to family run farms. > > Turn the > > > >> > super markets back into farmer markets. The game that values > > profits higher > > > >> > than democracy, human rights and environmental protection must be > > abandoned > > > >> > in order to survive. > > > > >> > On Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:57:20 AM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > > > >> >> There has been fears of over population for centuries now.. you > > have > > > >> >> only pointed to problems that are already well know. At the same > > time > > > >> >> I do not read any possible soutions. > > > > >> >> How are the problems solved realistically or not realistic manner.. > > > >> >> you never know where the solution comes from. > > > >> >> Allan > > > > >> >> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:47 AM, andrew vecsey < > > [email protected]> > > > >> >> wrote: > > > >> >> > Just as nature abhors a vacuum, tearing down anything too big, > > too high, > > > >> >> > and > > > >> >> > diluting anything too concentrated, globalization is a threat to > > > >> >> > mankind. > > > >> >> > See YouTube video "Globalization, Simplified" > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH41I-4uD-E&list=UU9rOAPUfZe3KEja0vvFp... > > > > >> >> > Text of Video > > > > >> >> > While the population is exponentially exploding, the earth > > housing them > > > >> >> > is > > > >> >> > exponentially shrinking. It is as easy to travel and communicate > > across > > > >> >> > the > > > >> >> > globe today as it was across the neighborhood a century ago. > > This opens > > > >> >> > the > > > >> >> > doors up wide to globalization and forces everyone to play the > > same > > > >> >> > game. > > > >> >> > Instead of giving the weak and poor players an advantage to make > > the > > > >> >> > game > > > >> >> > more fair and meaningful, the playing field is leveled ensuring > > that the > > > >> >> > strong and wealthy players become unbeatable. > > > > >> >> > Money, the measure of value of the goods and services traded, > > has turned > > > >> >> > into a rubber band measuring tape that can be and is stretched > > and > > > >> >> > shrunk by > > > >> >> > greedy speculators seeking short term profits. This causes great > > long > > > >> >> > term > > > >> >> > suffering and sickening hardships. To ease the sufferings and > > > >> >> > temporarily > > > >> >> > cover up illnesses, pharma industry churns out pills for all > > ills to > > > >> >> > those > > > >> >> > who could afford them. > > > > >> >> > The media has become the massage and its deafening message is to > > > >> >> > consume. > > > >> >> > Those few who control the media have hijacked values and > > brainwashed > > > >> >> > people > > > >> >> > into satisfying their short term addictive wants ahead of their > > long > > > >> >> > term > > > >> >> > needs. > > > > >> >> > When the criminal sectors who specialize in dealing with drugs, > > arms and > > > >> >> > slaves are globalized, they easily recruit the desperate poor to > > do the > > > >> >> > dirty work for them and hire politicians to cover up all that > > dirt. The > > > >> >> > then > > > >> >> > use greedy banksters to launder their dirty money clean of any > > traces of > > > >> >> > stains. > > > > >> >> > Visions have become impaired by short sightedness and blinded by > > > >> >> > brilliant > > > >> >> > flashes of seductive images. Companies with their narrow fields > > of > > > >> >> > interests > > > >> >> > follow principles and pursue goals that are unsustainable. They > > grow > > > >> >> > until > > > >> >> > they are “too big to fail or nail” and end up being corporate > > welfare > > > >> >> > cases > > > >> >> > supported and subsidized by the poor masses. > > > > >> >> > Biotechnology dressed up as green and gene revolutionaries > > promise to > > > >> >> > save > > > >> >> > hungry people from starvation. Like the communists and the global > > > >> >> > capitalists, they are corrupt at heart as their sole interest is > > > >> >> > accumulating wealth for themselves. The scientists and the > > politicians > > > >> >> > representing them are easily bought and mislead. Instead of > > feeding an > > > >> >> > overpopulated world, they are killing the soil and enslaving the > > people > > > >> >> > into > > > >> >> > a dependance on the food they process. They enrich the > > impoverished > > > >> >> > foods > > > >> >> > with chemicals and color and package them in expensive > > attractive boxes > > > >> >> > to > > > >> >> > make them look fresh. Then they transport the foods thousands of > > > >> >> > kilometers > > > >> >> > in polluting trucks to the supermarkets for the gullible hungry > > masses > > > >> >> > who > > > >> >> > line up like sheep to buy them. > > > > >> >> > Most innovations in food biotechnology are profit driven rather > > than > > > >> >> > need > > > >> >> > driven. Agro-industry ruins the soil, perpetuates social > > injustice and > > > >> >> > endangers the ecological balance in our environment. Depleted > > soils are > > > >> >> > infused with chemical fertilizers and monocultures are sprayed > > with > > > >> >> > ever > > > >> >> > increasing and ever powerful poisons. This practice favours large > > > >> >> > corporate > > > >> >> > farms who could afford this expensive technology and forces most > > of the > > > >> >> > traditional single-family farmers to abandon their lands. > > > > >> >> > Plants are genetically modified to be resistant to a specific > > toxin > > > >> >> > which > > > >> >> > kills all other plants. Crops are genetically modified with > > “terminal” > > > >> >> > genes > > > >> >> > making their seeds infertile and making the farmers dependent on > > having > > > >> >> > to > > > >> >> > buy seeds each year for the next year`s harvests. The bees, > > needed to > > > >> >> > fertilize seeds of all other naturally grown plants are slowly > > killed > > > >> >> > off > > > >> >> > with these practices, placing all of nature in a very critical > > > >> >> > situation. > > > >> >> > The manufacturers of these plants with terminal genes however > > find > > > >> >> > themselves in a very lucrative monopoly controlling the entire > > world`s > > > >> >> > food > > > >> >> > supply. > > > > >> >> > The reasons people go hungry are political and not technical, > > with the > > ... > > read more » --
