A great question- what is it? Maybe it is what the major powers/ economies tell us it is. Facts betray the huge inequities among the nations/humanity. I would hope we don't lose some of our differences and adopt one style and language. Saris are my favorite to watch and think Indian and Asian women beat out Americans- the men aren't bad either. Remember when we were all so separated and the "other" seemed to look the same- a kind of blindness, I guess.
On Nov 15, 8:47 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > The big question is what is globalising. In part this is stuff we > don't want. We are still haunted by superstition, sexism and > imperialism. I'd like to see more of our economies about building > safe communities and see foreign policies and our limited vision of > 'efficiency' as the major bars to this. Disease is likely > globalising, the ability to make WMDs and take part in manufacturing > for war. > > On 15 Nov, 23:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I would substitute ignorance for indifference. > > > On Nov 15, 10:00 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Untill nationalisn has distinctive meaning, political and cultural, and > > > economic, free movement of people can only be a pipe dream. > > > > And the "meaning," it must be remembered, is an emotional - mental > > > thing... > > > not merely intellectual. That's how phenomenal dimensions of any thing > > > extends ... from indifference to emotional values, covering almost > > > everything existential in society, politics and economics ... and to > > > intellectual conviction, which is singularly absent in everything > > > experiential that individuals bring into their attitudes and everyday > > > decision-making at their present level evolution. > > > > One of the most intellectual calls was issued by Marx. No one could stand > > > up to its rigour ... not the champions and subscribers, not the staus > > > quoist rest of the world. Capitalism stays, because it factors in our > > > emotional drives, not because it is most just and fair to the weakest in > > > our midst ! > > > > Au revoir ... > > > > On Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:15:49 PM UTC+5:30, Lee Douglas wrote: > > > > > Meh! As you know I'm all for freedom of movement, live where you like, > > > > if > > > > much of India wish to migrate to The USA and settle in the Mid West > > > > then go > > > > to it. However with around only 3-5% of Earth's land mass populated and > > > > with an increasing amount of that population living in urban > > > > environments I > > > > daresay that India has much land of it's own in which it's residents can > > > > settle. Even when much of the land is gone, we are in fact making > > > > strides > > > > for sea based habitat. > > > > > Over population is a concern, much, much more for reasons of food > > > > and energy production though than any reasons of not enough land mass. > > > > > On Thursday, 15 November 2012 14:15:16 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > > > >> Okay there is large sections of farm land in the Mid west maybe we > > > >> can help the people of India resettle into that area..?? > > > >> Allan > > > > >> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > Umm myself I can't see globalisation as anything but a good thing. > > > >> > The > > > >> > sooner we find that our cultural differences do not matter and we > > > >> > learn > > > >> to > > > >> > judge the individual(as opposed to the group) the better as far as > > > >> > I'm > > > >> > concerned. Ultimately it will take global working together to sort > > > >> > out > > > >> the > > > >> > worlds ills. > > > > >> > Overpopulation is a concern, but to too much of one at this moment in > > > >> time, > > > >> > there are huge tracts of land still to be settled. > > > > >> > On Tuesday, 13 November 2012 20:22:17 UTC, archytas wrote: > > > > >> >> One of the Faust stories more or less predicts the mechanism for the > > > >> >> rise of Nazi Germany including the funding. > > > > >> >> On 13 Nov, 19:33, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> > Wetlands are very important. The recovery work here was done > > > >> centuries > > > >> >> > ago.. and here we are very eco awe. > > > >> >> > Allan > > > > >> >> > Matrix ** th3 beginning light > > > >> >> > On Nov 13, 2012 2:03 PM, "rigsy03" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> >> > > By coincidence of a former discussion, Faust was draining a > > > >> >> > > swamp > > > >> as > > > >> >> > > part of his spiritual rehab.//Another subject, however, would be > > > >> the > > > >> >> > > wetlands and their role in the ecology. > > > > >> >> > > On Nov 12, 6:11 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > The Dutch are crazy a and very adept at working with the sea.. > > > >> and > > > >> >> > > > yes > > > >> >> > > > it cost massive supplying its own power amounts of money.. > > > >> >> > > > but > > > >> >> > > > land > > > >> >> > > > recovery is and can be very beneficial to the society. We > > > >> >> > > > have > > > >> to > > > >> >> > > > protect our dunes to protect our country.. there is very > > > >> >> > > > little > > > >> sea > > > >> >> > > > front property unlike both the east ans west coasts of the > > > >> >> > > > US.. > > > >> >> > > > where the coast is used mainly for private residences > > > > >> >> > > > The dutch have been using green houses for years long before > > > >> >> > > > Israel,, > > > >> >> > > > the concept of vertical greenhouses id one for producing > > > >> produce in > > > >> >> > > > areas where it is needed like high density cities where space > > > >> >> > > > is > > > >> at > > > >> >> > > > a > > > >> >> > > > premium and population is at its maximum.. trying to bring > > > >> >> > > > down > > > >> the > > > >> >> > > > cost of food.. and it is based on hydroponics and objectively > > > >> to be > > > >> >> > > > self sufficient power wise.. the idea is not particularly > > > >> >> > > > cheap > > > >> but > > > >> >> > > > as for the benefit of society is extremely valuable. > > > > >> >> > > > Some ideas need to be looked at in relationship to self. > > > >> >> > > > Allan > > > > >> >> > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:59 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > > Israel has been very successful with greenhouse > > > >> >> > > > > agriculture. A > > > >> >> > > > > nearby > > > >> >> > > > > restaurant contracted with local homeowners to grow some > > > >> >> > > > > fresh > > > >> >> > > > > produce > > > >> >> > > > > which might catch on. I consider the labor and high water > > > >> usage a > > > >> >> > > > > negative, however. > > > > >> >> > > > > On Nov 11, 5:23 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > >> I don't think that will work,, I think your solution would > > > >> >> > > > >> result in > > > >> >> > > > >> wide spread famine world wide though the chemical farmers > > > >> are > > > >> >> > > > >> not the > > > >> >> > > > >> best solution they are not the worst either from > > > >> supermarkets > > > >> >> > > > >> to > > > >> >> > > > >> farmers markets would again result in wide spread hunger > > > >> >> > > > >> and > > > >> >> > > > >> famine.. > > > >> >> > > > >> corporations have the ability to preserve food and spread > > > >> >> > > > >> it > > > >> >> > > > >> trough > > > >> >> > > > >> out the world where it is needed.. one of the problems is > > > >> >> > > > >> distribution .. and production.. at one time I owned > > > >> >> > > > >> approximately > > > >> >> > > > >> 200 hectors of land could grow wheat on some of it and > > > >> >> > > > >> grass > > > >> >> > > > >> that was > > > >> >> > > > >> about it.. the other was so let me put it my best crops > > > >> >> > > > >> were > > > >> >> > > > >> rocks.. > > > >> >> > > > >> Dad and I built a house out of them.. > > > > >> >> > > > >> Using today's technology if we created a vertical green > > > >> >> > > > >> house > > > >> (my > > > >> >> > > > >> dad > > > >> >> > > > >> and I discussed it some 40 - 45 years ago) of creating a > > > >> vertical > > > >> >> > > > >> green house.. My father's knowledge was the most advance > > > >> >> > > > >> in > > > >> >> > > > >> hydroponics there still was a lot lacking and he continued > > > >> to do > > > >> >> > > > >> research.. > > > > >> >> > > > >> But Andrew instead of using all of our land to maybe poorly > > > >> feed > > > >> >> > > > >> 50.. > > > >> >> > > > >> with today's technology using a vertical green house we > > > >> >> > > > >> could > > > >> >> > > > >> easily > > > >> >> > > > >> feed 50,000 people in and ecologically friendly manner ,, > > > >> that > > > >> >> > > > >> would > > > >> >> > > > >> include providing protein other than vegetables. > > > > >> >> > > > >> Stepping backwards is not a solution. > > > >> >> > > > >> Allan > > > > >> >> > > > >> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:01 AM, andrew vecsey < > > > >> >> > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > >> > The solution to all this mess is to abandon the misled > > > >> >> > > > >> > scientists, > > > >> >> > > the > > > >> >> > > > >> > harmful engineers and the speculating marketeers and to > > > >> return > > > >> >> > > > >> > to > > > >> >> > > nature and > > > >> >> > > > >> > organic farming embodying ecological principles that are > > > >> >> > > sustainable and > > > >> >> > > > >> > have been sustained for billions of years. Return farms > > > >> from > > > >> >> > > corporate > > > >> >> > > > >> > chemical farmers with their monocultures back to family > > > >> >> > > > >> > run > > > >> >> > > > >> > farms. > > > >> >> > > Turn the > > > >> >> > > > >> > super markets back into farmer markets. The game that > > > >> values > > > >> >> > > profits higher > > > >> >> > > > >> > than democracy, human rights and environmental protection > > > >> must > > > >> >> > > > >> > be > > > >> >> > > abandoned > > > >> >> > > > >> > in order to survive. > > > > >> >> > > > >> > On Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:57:20 AM UTC+1, Allan > > > >> Heretic > > > >> >> > > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> There has been fears of over population for centuries > > > >> now.. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> you > > > >> >> > > have > > > >> >> > > > >> >> only pointed to problems that are already well know. At > > > >> the > > > >> >> > > > >> >> same > > > >> >> > > time > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I do not read any possible soutions. > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> How are the problems solved realistically or not > > > >> >> > > > >> >> realistic > > > >> >> > > > >> >> manner.. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> you never know where the solution comes from. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Allan > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:47 AM, andrew vecsey < > > > >> >> > > [email protected]> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Just as nature abhors a vacuum, tearing down anything > > > >> too > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > big, > > > >> >> > > too high, > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > and > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
