I would substitute ignorance for indifference.
On Nov 15, 10:00 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > Untill nationalisn has distinctive meaning, political and cultural, and > economic, free movement of people can only be a pipe dream. > > And the "meaning," it must be remembered, is an emotional - mental thing... > not merely intellectual. That's how phenomenal dimensions of any thing > extends ... from indifference to emotional values, covering almost > everything existential in society, politics and economics ... and to > intellectual conviction, which is singularly absent in everything > experiential that individuals bring into their attitudes and everyday > decision-making at their present level evolution. > > One of the most intellectual calls was issued by Marx. No one could stand > up to its rigour ... not the champions and subscribers, not the staus > quoist rest of the world. Capitalism stays, because it factors in our > emotional drives, not because it is most just and fair to the weakest in > our midst ! > > Au revoir ... > > > > On Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:15:49 PM UTC+5:30, Lee Douglas wrote: > > > Meh! As you know I'm all for freedom of movement, live where you like, if > > much of India wish to migrate to The USA and settle in the Mid West then go > > to it. However with around only 3-5% of Earth's land mass populated and > > with an increasing amount of that population living in urban environments I > > daresay that India has much land of it's own in which it's residents can > > settle. Even when much of the land is gone, we are in fact making strides > > for sea based habitat. > > > Over population is a concern, much, much more for reasons of food > > and energy production though than any reasons of not enough land mass. > > > On Thursday, 15 November 2012 14:15:16 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > >> Okay there is large sections of farm land in the Mid west maybe we > >> can help the people of India resettle into that area..?? > >> Allan > > >> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > Umm myself I can't see globalisation as anything but a good thing. The > >> > sooner we find that our cultural differences do not matter and we learn > >> to > >> > judge the individual(as opposed to the group) the better as far as I'm > >> > concerned. Ultimately it will take global working together to sort out > >> the > >> > worlds ills. > > >> > Overpopulation is a concern, but to too much of one at this moment in > >> time, > >> > there are huge tracts of land still to be settled. > > >> > On Tuesday, 13 November 2012 20:22:17 UTC, archytas wrote: > > >> >> One of the Faust stories more or less predicts the mechanism for the > >> >> rise of Nazi Germany including the funding. > > >> >> On 13 Nov, 19:33, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Wetlands are very important. The recovery work here was done > >> centuries > >> >> > ago.. and here we are very eco awe. > >> >> > Allan > > >> >> > Matrix ** th3 beginning light > >> >> > On Nov 13, 2012 2:03 PM, "rigsy03" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > By coincidence of a former discussion, Faust was draining a swamp > >> as > >> >> > > part of his spiritual rehab.//Another subject, however, would be > >> the > >> >> > > wetlands and their role in the ecology. > > >> >> > > On Nov 12, 6:11 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > > The Dutch are crazy a and very adept at working with the sea.. > >> and > >> >> > > > yes > >> >> > > > it cost massive supplying its own power amounts of money.. but > >> >> > > > land > >> >> > > > recovery is and can be very beneficial to the society. We have > >> to > >> >> > > > protect our dunes to protect our country.. there is very little > >> sea > >> >> > > > front property unlike both the east ans west coasts of the US.. > >> >> > > > where the coast is used mainly for private residences > > >> >> > > > The dutch have been using green houses for years long before > >> >> > > > Israel,, > >> >> > > > the concept of vertical greenhouses id one for producing > >> produce in > >> >> > > > areas where it is needed like high density cities where space is > >> at > >> >> > > > a > >> >> > > > premium and population is at its maximum.. trying to bring down > >> the > >> >> > > > cost of food.. and it is based on hydroponics and objectively > >> to be > >> >> > > > self sufficient power wise.. the idea is not particularly cheap > >> but > >> >> > > > as for the benefit of society is extremely valuable. > > >> >> > > > Some ideas need to be looked at in relationship to self. > >> >> > > > Allan > > >> >> > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:59 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > > > Israel has been very successful with greenhouse agriculture. A > >> >> > > > > nearby > >> >> > > > > restaurant contracted with local homeowners to grow some fresh > >> >> > > > > produce > >> >> > > > > which might catch on. I consider the labor and high water > >> usage a > >> >> > > > > negative, however. > > >> >> > > > > On Nov 11, 5:23 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > > >> I don't think that will work,, I think your solution would > >> >> > > > >> result in > >> >> > > > >> wide spread famine world wide though the chemical farmers > >> are > >> >> > > > >> not the > >> >> > > > >> best solution they are not the worst either from > >> supermarkets > >> >> > > > >> to > >> >> > > > >> farmers markets would again result in wide spread hunger and > >> >> > > > >> famine.. > >> >> > > > >> corporations have the ability to preserve food and spread it > >> >> > > > >> trough > >> >> > > > >> out the world where it is needed.. one of the problems is > >> >> > > > >> distribution .. and production.. at one time I owned > >> >> > > > >> approximately > >> >> > > > >> 200 hectors of land could grow wheat on some of it and grass > >> >> > > > >> that was > >> >> > > > >> about it.. the other was so let me put it my best crops were > >> >> > > > >> rocks.. > >> >> > > > >> Dad and I built a house out of them.. > > >> >> > > > >> Using today's technology if we created a vertical green house > >> (my > >> >> > > > >> dad > >> >> > > > >> and I discussed it some 40 - 45 years ago) of creating a > >> vertical > >> >> > > > >> green house.. My father's knowledge was the most advance in > >> >> > > > >> hydroponics there still was a lot lacking and he continued > >> to do > >> >> > > > >> research.. > > >> >> > > > >> But Andrew instead of using all of our land to maybe poorly > >> feed > >> >> > > > >> 50.. > >> >> > > > >> with today's technology using a vertical green house we could > >> >> > > > >> easily > >> >> > > > >> feed 50,000 people in and ecologically friendly manner ,, > >> that > >> >> > > > >> would > >> >> > > > >> include providing protein other than vegetables. > > >> >> > > > >> Stepping backwards is not a solution. > >> >> > > > >> Allan > > >> >> > > > >> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:01 AM, andrew vecsey < > >> >> > > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > > >> > The solution to all this mess is to abandon the misled > >> >> > > > >> > scientists, > >> >> > > the > >> >> > > > >> > harmful engineers and the speculating marketeers and to > >> return > >> >> > > > >> > to > >> >> > > nature and > >> >> > > > >> > organic farming embodying ecological principles that are > >> >> > > sustainable and > >> >> > > > >> > have been sustained for billions of years. Return farms > >> from > >> >> > > corporate > >> >> > > > >> > chemical farmers with their monocultures back to family run > >> >> > > > >> > farms. > >> >> > > Turn the > >> >> > > > >> > super markets back into farmer markets. The game that > >> values > >> >> > > profits higher > >> >> > > > >> > than democracy, human rights and environmental protection > >> must > >> >> > > > >> > be > >> >> > > abandoned > >> >> > > > >> > in order to survive. > > >> >> > > > >> > On Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:57:20 AM UTC+1, Allan > >> Heretic > >> >> > > > >> > wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> There has been fears of over population for centuries > >> now.. > >> >> > > > >> >> you > >> >> > > have > >> >> > > > >> >> only pointed to problems that are already well know. At > >> the > >> >> > > > >> >> same > >> >> > > time > >> >> > > > >> >> I do not read any possible soutions. > > >> >> > > > >> >> How are the problems solved realistically or not realistic > >> >> > > > >> >> manner.. > >> >> > > > >> >> you never know where the solution comes from. > >> >> > > > >> >> Allan > > >> >> > > > >> >> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:47 AM, andrew vecsey < > >> >> > > [email protected]> > >> >> > > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > > > >> >> > Just as nature abhors a vacuum, tearing down anything > >> too > >> >> > > > >> >> > big, > >> >> > > too high, > >> >> > > > >> >> > and > >> >> > > > >> >> > diluting anything too concentrated, globalization is a > >> >> > > > >> >> > threat to > >> >> > > > >> >> > mankind. > >> >> > > > >> >> > See YouTube video "Globalization, Simplified" > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH41I-4uD-E&list=UU9rOAPUfZe3KEja0vvFp... > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Text of Video > > >> >> > > > >> >> > While the population is exponentially exploding, the > >> earth > >> >> > > housing them > >> >> > > > >> >> > is > >> >> > > > >> >> > exponentially shrinking. It is as easy to travel and > >> >> > > > >> >> > communicate > >> >> > > across > >> >> > > > >> >> > the > >> >> > > > >> >> > globe today as it was across the neighborhood a century > >> >> > > > >> >> > ago. > >> >> > > This opens > >> >> > > > >> >> > the > >> >> > > > >> >> > doors up wide to globalization and forces everyone to > >> play > >> >> > > > >> >> > the > >> >> > > same > >> >> > > > >> >> > game. > >> >> > > > >> >> > Instead of giving the > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
