lee India and surrounding area has approximately 1/3 the world population extremely high density of population.. the question is more how far are you willing to go to help people?
There are many people that have nothing and their world is upside down,, and the bounties of the US my God what a blessings... but you need to have mass migrations and the american people would never allow that look at how bad they deal with the Mexicans they are totally afraid of really helping people by allowing them to migrate.. Allan On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > Untill nationalisn has distinctive meaning, political and cultural, and > economic, free movement of people can only be a pipe dream. > > And the "meaning," it must be remembered, is an emotional - mental thing... > not merely intellectual. That's how phenomenal dimensions of any thing > extends ... from indifference to emotional values, covering almost > everything existential in society, politics and economics ... and to > intellectual conviction, which is singularly absent in everything > experiential that individuals bring into their attitudes and everyday > decision-making at their present level evolution. > > One of the most intellectual calls was issued by Marx. No one could stand up > to its rigour ... not the champions and subscribers, not the staus quoist > rest of the world. Capitalism stays, because it factors in our emotional > drives, not because it is most just and fair to the weakest in our midst ! > > Au revoir ... > > > On Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:15:49 PM UTC+5:30, Lee Douglas wrote: >> >> Meh! As you know I'm all for freedom of movement, live where you like, if >> much of India wish to migrate to The USA and settle in the Mid West then go >> to it. However with around only 3-5% of Earth's land mass populated and >> with an increasing amount of that population living in urban environments I >> daresay that India has much land of it's own in which it's residents can >> settle. Even when much of the land is gone, we are in fact making strides >> for sea based habitat. >> >> Over population is a concern, much, much more for reasons of food and >> energy production though than any reasons of not enough land mass. >> >> On Thursday, 15 November 2012 14:15:16 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Okay there is large sections of farm land in the Mid west maybe we >>> can help the people of India resettle into that area..?? >>> Allan >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Umm myself I can't see globalisation as anything but a good thing. The >>> > sooner we find that our cultural differences do not matter and we learn >>> > to >>> > judge the individual(as opposed to the group) the better as far as I'm >>> > concerned. Ultimately it will take global working together to sort out >>> > the >>> > worlds ills. >>> > >>> > Overpopulation is a concern, but to too much of one at this moment in >>> > time, >>> > there are huge tracts of land still to be settled. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tuesday, 13 November 2012 20:22:17 UTC, archytas wrote: >>> >> >>> >> One of the Faust stories more or less predicts the mechanism for the >>> >> rise of Nazi Germany including the funding. >>> >> >>> >> On 13 Nov, 19:33, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > Wetlands are very important. The recovery work here was done >>> >> > centuries >>> >> > ago.. and here we are very eco awe. >>> >> > Allan >>> >> > >>> >> > Matrix ** th3 beginning light >>> >> > On Nov 13, 2012 2:03 PM, "rigsy03" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > > By coincidence of a former discussion, Faust was draining a swamp >>> >> > > as >>> >> > > part of his spiritual rehab.//Another subject, however, would be >>> >> > > the >>> >> > > wetlands and their role in the ecology. >>> >> > >>> >> > > On Nov 12, 6:11 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > > > The Dutch are crazy a and very adept at working with the sea.. >>> >> > > > and >>> >> > > > yes >>> >> > > > it cost massive supplying its own power amounts of money.. but >>> >> > > > land >>> >> > > > recovery is and can be very beneficial to the society. We have >>> >> > > > to >>> >> > > > protect our dunes to protect our country.. there is very little >>> >> > > > sea >>> >> > > > front property unlike both the east ans west coasts of the US.. >>> >> > > > where the coast is used mainly for private residences >>> >> > >>> >> > > > The dutch have been using green houses for years long before >>> >> > > > Israel,, >>> >> > > > the concept of vertical greenhouses id one for producing >>> >> > > > produce in >>> >> > > > areas where it is needed like high density cities where space is >>> >> > > > at >>> >> > > > a >>> >> > > > premium and population is at its maximum.. trying to bring down >>> >> > > > the >>> >> > > > cost of food.. and it is based on hydroponics and objectively >>> >> > > > to be >>> >> > > > self sufficient power wise.. the idea is not particularly cheap >>> >> > > > but >>> >> > > > as for the benefit of society is extremely valuable. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > Some ideas need to be looked at in relationship to self. >>> >> > > > Allan >>> >> > >>> >> > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:59 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> >>> >> > > > wrote: >>> >> > > > > Israel has been very successful with greenhouse agriculture. A >>> >> > > > > nearby >>> >> > > > > restaurant contracted with local homeowners to grow some fresh >>> >> > > > > produce >>> >> > > > > which might catch on. I consider the labor and high water >>> >> > > > > usage a >>> >> > > > > negative, however. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > > On Nov 11, 5:23 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > > > >> I don't think that will work,, I think your solution would >>> >> > > > >> result in >>> >> > > > >> wide spread famine world wide though the chemical farmers >>> >> > > > >> are >>> >> > > > >> not the >>> >> > > > >> best solution they are not the worst either from >>> >> > > > >> supermarkets >>> >> > > > >> to >>> >> > > > >> farmers markets would again result in wide spread hunger and >>> >> > > > >> famine.. >>> >> > > > >> corporations have the ability to preserve food and spread it >>> >> > > > >> trough >>> >> > > > >> out the world where it is needed.. one of the problems is >>> >> > > > >> distribution .. and production.. at one time I owned >>> >> > > > >> approximately >>> >> > > > >> 200 hectors of land could grow wheat on some of it and grass >>> >> > > > >> that was >>> >> > > > >> about it.. the other was so let me put it my best crops were >>> >> > > > >> rocks.. >>> >> > > > >> Dad and I built a house out of them.. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> Using today's technology if we created a vertical green house >>> >> > > > >> (my >>> >> > > > >> dad >>> >> > > > >> and I discussed it some 40 - 45 years ago) of creating a >>> >> > > > >> vertical >>> >> > > > >> green house.. My father's knowledge was the most advance in >>> >> > > > >> hydroponics there still was a lot lacking and he continued >>> >> > > > >> to do >>> >> > > > >> research.. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> But Andrew instead of using all of our land to maybe poorly >>> >> > > > >> feed >>> >> > > > >> 50.. >>> >> > > > >> with today's technology using a vertical green house we could >>> >> > > > >> easily >>> >> > > > >> feed 50,000 people in and ecologically friendly manner ,, >>> >> > > > >> that >>> >> > > > >> would >>> >> > > > >> include providing protein other than vegetables. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> Stepping backwards is not a solution. >>> >> > > > >> Allan >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:01 AM, andrew vecsey < >>> >> > > [email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > > > >> > The solution to all this mess is to abandon the misled >>> >> > > > >> > scientists, >>> >> > > the >>> >> > > > >> > harmful engineers and the speculating marketeers and to >>> >> > > > >> > return >>> >> > > > >> > to >>> >> > > nature and >>> >> > > > >> > organic farming embodying ecological principles that are >>> >> > > sustainable and >>> >> > > > >> > have been sustained for billions of years. Return farms >>> >> > > > >> > from >>> >> > > corporate >>> >> > > > >> > chemical farmers with their monocultures back to family run >>> >> > > > >> > farms. >>> >> > > Turn the >>> >> > > > >> > super markets back into farmer markets. The game that >>> >> > > > >> > values >>> >> > > profits higher >>> >> > > > >> > than democracy, human rights and environmental protection >>> >> > > > >> > must >>> >> > > > >> > be >>> >> > > abandoned >>> >> > > > >> > in order to survive. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> > On Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:57:20 AM UTC+1, Allan >>> >> > > > >> > Heretic >>> >> > > > >> > wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> There has been fears of over population for centuries >>> >> > > > >> >> now.. >>> >> > > > >> >> you >>> >> > > have >>> >> > > > >> >> only pointed to problems that are already well know. At >>> >> > > > >> >> the >>> >> > > > >> >> same >>> >> > > time >>> >> > > > >> >> I do not read any possible soutions. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> How are the problems solved realistically or not realistic >>> >> > > > >> >> manner.. >>> >> > > > >> >> you never know where the solution comes from. >>> >> > > > >> >> Allan >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:47 AM, andrew vecsey < >>> >> > > [email protected]> >>> >> > > > >> >> wrote: >>> >> > > > >> >> > Just as nature abhors a vacuum, tearing down anything >>> >> > > > >> >> > too >>> >> > > > >> >> > big, >>> >> > > too high, >>> >> > > > >> >> > and >>> >> > > > >> >> > diluting anything too concentrated, globalization is a >>> >> > > > >> >> > threat to >>> >> > > > >> >> > mankind. >>> >> > > > >> >> > See YouTube video "Globalization, Simplified" >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH41I-4uD-E&list=UU9rOAPUfZe3KEja0vvFp... >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> > Text of Video >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> > While the population is exponentially exploding, the >>> >> > > > >> >> > earth >>> >> > > housing them >>> >> > > > >> >> > is >>> >> > > > >> >> > exponentially shrinking. It is as easy to travel and >>> >> > > > >> >> > communicate >>> >> > > across >>> >> > > > >> >> > the >>> >> > > > >> >> > globe today as it was across the neighborhood a century >>> >> > > > >> >> > ago. >>> >> > > This opens >>> >> > > > >> >> > the >>> >> > > > >> >> > doors up wide to globalization and forces everyone to >>> >> > > > >> >> > play >>> >> > > > >> >> > the >>> >> > > same >>> >> > > > >> >> > game. >>> >> > > > >> >> > Instead of giving the weak and poor players an advantage >>> >> > > > >> >> > to >>> >> > > > >> >> > make >>> >> > > the >>> >> > > > >> >> > game >>> >> > > > >> >> > more fair and meaningful, the playing field is leveled >>> >> > > > >> >> > ensuring >>> >> > > that the >>> >> > > > >> >> > strong and wealthy players become unbeatable. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> > Money, the measure of value of the goods and services >>> >> > > > >> >> > traded, >>> >> > > has turned >>> >> > > > >> >> > into a rubber band measuring tape that can be and is >>> >> > > > >> >> > stretched >>> >> > > and >>> >> > > > >> >> > shrunk by >>> >> > > > >> >> > greedy speculators seeking short term profits. This >>> >> > > > >> >> > causes >>> >> > > > >> >> > great >>> >> > > long >>> >> > > > >> >> > term >>> >> > > > >> >> > suffering and sickening hardships. To ease the >>> >> > > > >> >> > sufferings >>> >> > > > >> >> > and >>> >> > > > >> >> > temporarily >>> >> > > > >> >> > cover up illnesses, pharma industry churns out pills for >>> >> > > > >> >> > all >>> >> > > ills to >>> >> > > > >> >> > those >>> >> > > > >> >> > who could afford them. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> > The media has become the massage and its deafening >>> >> > > > >> >> > message >>> >> > > > >> >> > is to >>> >> > > > >> >> > consume. >>> >> > > > >> >> > Those few who control the media have hijacked values and >>> >> > > brainwashed >>> >> > > > >> >> > people >>> >> > > > >> >> > into satisfying their short term addictive wants ahead >>> >> > > > >> >> > of >>> >> > > > >> >> > their >>> >> > > long >>> >> > > > >> >> > term >>> >> > > > >> >> > needs. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> > When the criminal sectors who specialize in dealing with >>> >> > > > >> >> > drugs, >>> >> > > arms and >>> >> > > > >> >> > slaves are globalized, they easily recruit the desperate >>> >> > > > >> >> > poor to >>> >> > > do the >>> >> > > > >> >> > dirty work for them and hire politicians to cover up all >>> >> > > > >> >> > that >>> >> > > dirt. The >>> >> > > > >> >> > then >>> >> > > > >> >> > use greedy banksters to launder their dirty money clean >>> >> > > > >> >> > of >>> >> > > > >> >> > any >>> >> > > traces of >>> >> > > > >> >> > stains. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> > Visions have become impaired by short sightedness and >>> >> > > > >> >> > blinded by >>> >> > > > >> >> > brilliant >>> >> > > > >> >> > flashes of seductive images. Companies with their narrow >>> >> > > > >> >> > fields >>> >> > > of >>> >> > > > >> >> > interests >>> >> > > > >> >> > follow principles and pursue goals that are >>> >> > > > >> >> > unsustainable. >>> >> > > > >> >> > They >>> >> > > grow >>> >> > > > >> >> > until >>> >> > > > >> >> > they are “too big to fail or nail” and end up being >>> >> > > > >> >> > corporate >>> >> > > welfare >>> >> > > > >> >> > cases >>> >> > > > >> >> > supported and subsidized by the poor masses. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> > Biotechnology dressed up as green and gene >>> >> > > > >> >> > revolutionaries >>> >> > > promise to >>> >> > > > >> >> > save >>> >> > > > >> >> > hungry people from starvation. Like the communists and >>> >> > > > >> >> > the >>> >> > > > >> >> > global >>> >> > > > >> >> > capitalists, they are corrupt at heart as their sole >>> >> > > > >> >> > interest is >>> >> > > > >> >> > accumulating wealth for themselves. The scientists and >>> >> > > > >> >> > the >>> >> > > politicians >>> >> > > > >> >> > representing them are easily bought and mislead. >>> >> > > > >> >> > Instead of >>> >> > > feeding an >>> >> > > > >> >> > overpopulated world, they are killing the soil and >>> >> > > > >> >> > enslaving >>> >> > > > >> >> > the >>> >> > > people >>> >> > > > >> >> > into >>> >> > > > >> >> > a dependance on the food they process. They enrich the >>> >> > > impoverished >>> >> > > > >> >> > foods >>> >> > > > >> >> > with chemicals and color and package them in expensive >>> >> > > attractive boxes >>> >> > > > >> >> > to >>> >> > > > >> >> > make them look fresh. Then they transport the foods >>> >> > > > >> >> > thousands of >>> >> > > > >> >> > kilometers >>> >> > > > >> >> > in polluting trucks to the supermarkets for the gullible >>> >> > > > >> >> > hungry >>> >> > > masses >>> >> > > > >> >> > who >>> >> > > > >> >> > line up like sheep to buy them. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> > Most innovations in food biotechnology are profit driven >>> >> > > > >> >> > rather >>> >> > > than >>> >> > > > >> >> > need >>> >> > > > >> >> > driven. Agro-industry ruins the soil, perpetuates social >>> >> > > injustice and >>> >> > > > >> >> > endangers the ecological balance in our environment. >>> >> > > > >> >> > Depleted >>> >> > > soils are >>> >> > > > >> >> > infused with chemical fertilizers and monocultures are >>> >> > > > >> >> > sprayed >>> >> > > with >>> >> > > > >> >> > ever >>> >> > > > >> >> > increasing and ever powerful poisons. This practice >>> >> > > > >> >> > favours >>> >> > > > >> >> > large >>> >> > > > >> >> > corporate >>> >> > > > >> >> > farms who could afford this expensive technology and >>> >> > > > >> >> > forces >>> >> > > > >> >> > most >>> >> > > of the >>> >> > > > >> >> > traditional single-family farmers to abandon their >>> >> > > > >> >> > lands. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> > Plants are genetically modified to be resistant to a >>> >> > > > >> >> > specific >>> >> > > toxin >>> >> > > > >> >> > which >>> >> > > > >> >> > kills all other plants. Crops are genetically modified >>> >> > > > >> >> > with >>> >> > > “terminal” >>> >> > > > >> >> > genes >>> >> > > > >> >> > making their seeds infertile and making the farmers >>> >> > > > >> >> > dependent on >>> >> > > having >>> >> > > > >> >> > to >>> >> > > > >> >> > buy seeds each year for the next year`s harvests. The >>> >> > > > >> >> > bees, >>> >> > > needed to >>> >> > > > >> >> > fertilize seeds of all other naturally grown plants are >>> >> > > > >> >> > slowly >>> >> > > killed >>> >> > > > >> >> > off >>> >> > > > >> >> > with these practices, placing all of nature in a very >>> >> > > > >> >> > critical >>> >> > > > >> >> > situation. >>> >> > > > >> >> > The manufacturers of these plants with terminal genes >>> >> > > > >> >> > however >>> >> > > find >>> >> > > > >> >> > themselves in a very lucrative monopoly controlling the >>> >> > > > >> >> > entire >>> >> > > world`s >>> >> > > > >> >> > food >>> >> > > > >> >> > supply. >>> >> > >>> >> > > > >> >> > The reasons people go hungry are political and not >>> >> > > > >> >> > technical, >>> >> > > with the >>> >> > >>> >> > ... >>> >> > >>> >> > read more » >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ( >>> ) >>> |_D Allan >>> >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >>> >>> >>> I am a Natural Airgunner - >>> >>> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > > -- > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. I am a Natural Airgunner - Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. --
