I sometimes think of the innocence as a catalyst Molly. Speeds things up, slows them down, maybe provides the shell for the reactions of others - stays broadly unchanged but gets poisoned from time to time and may have to change 'shape'. A few bigots in the Anglican Church prevented women bishops for a few more years this week - much against the majority (two-thirds vote needed). It turns out all religion in the UK is 'free' to be sexist. I'd rather make my pleas to god through Molly or Gabby than a man - but I'll be in hell with rigsy anyway - you can drink whiskey there without hangovers! It's 12 miles south of Oslo as I remember rigs!
Good question Lee. My guess is the answer is biological and the cultural method control fraud. Hierarchy is a religious word. On 21 Nov, 15:59, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > Heheh I was gonna crack a funny about they and belife and drugs, but meh I > just can't be bothered. > > But is there a they who seek to control via these or any other methods? > Naaaa. > > > > > > > > On Monday, 19 November 2012 09:18:25 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: > > With drugs and mass media they control our desires and with drugs and > > schools they control our thinking. The only simple solution I can think of > > is not to play their game. Just refuse to buy what they offer to sell. . > > > On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:47:11 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > >> globalization can be very beneficial and granted there are many self > >> centered individuals and corporations that have that have little > >> concern for others or our world.. but one thing that is coming out of > >> it they can not control what people thing and desire their world to > >> be.. Little by little I see people reclaiming the dreams of a better > >> world. > >> Oh well what can you expect from an old hippie > >> Allan > > >> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Andrew is obviously right when one considers where our wealth is > >> > ending-up. This group is broadly parochial, white and barely > >> > understands what it excludes and how. We are reliant on centralised > >> > technology that is soon to force us to a format we don't want. > >> > Rigsy's question is about right. Previous globalisation was > >> > colonising and I suspect most of what we are witnessing now is in that > >> > model. It would be good to make the move in emphasis Molly suggests, > >> > but the signs in the underlying business model indicate the opposite > >> > to me - currently remaining in advertising and making a killing in > >> > market share. There is another (dated) form of globalisation in the > >> > phrase 'workers of the world unite' and it must be clear this has been > >> > resisted by the powerful other than in their own 'guilds'. My list on > >> > what globalisation is would be long and rather vague - including > >> > teaching foreign students with bare English textbook answers I kn ow > >> > to be rot. James Bond has globalised but not decent water, food and > >> > housing for all - let alone freedom from the kind of idiots on all > >> > sides who keep such stuff as the Arab-Israeli conflict going. > > >> > We need realistic optimism - but this means embracing really bad news > >> > on climate (worse than we think) and history (much worse than we > >> > think) in order to see how we get some decent stuff done amongst the > >> > enemies of open society. Globalisation is getting very real in the > >> > sense of telepresence (I could be operated on in Bolton by a surgeon > >> > in Madras) and other varieties of the embodiment of knowledge that > >> > will allow remote and even home manufacturing. > > >> > Postmodernism (which I regard as the move to modernism we have never > >> > had) is bringing about a legitimation crisis. I am broadly (but not > >> > completely) free of the religious dross taught in youth and chronic > >> > copy-teachers who told me Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 53AD and > >> > that humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes like other apes. To discover > >> > the extent of ideological dross in my education I travelled. The > >> > Internet's supposedly global reach does not even compare. How could > >> > anything be more parochial that Faceflop and Twatter? What would be > >> > want to globalise - does anyone ever ask us? How about freedom from > >> > work as means of income? > > >> > On 18 Nov, 14:11, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> I disagree, Andrew, and take a view more like Alan's. Globalization > >> >> occurs when more folks operate from a world-centric life view (not > >> ego- > >> >> centric or ethno-centric), more countries are trading goods and > >> >> services, and more folks have access to goods and services from other > >> >> countries. This group is comprised of folks from many different parts > >> >> of the world. A good example. > > >> >> On Nov 18, 4:09 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > Globalization is reverting to the ownership and control of > >> everything world > >> >> > wide by the few. That is the danger of it all. > > >> >> > On Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic > >> wrote: > > >> >> > > I think realistically globalization is revering to the access to > >> >> > > everything world wide > >> >> > > Allan > > >> >> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, rigsy03 > >> >> > > <[email protected]<javascript:>> > >> >> > > wrote: > >> >> > > > But what does the term "globalization" mean? It is an abstract > >> term. > >> >> > > > (Sort of like Alexander's "empire" at his death- to be defined > >> by the > >> >> > > > strongest?) > > >> >> > > > On Nov 17, 4:18 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> I agree with you Saris are very beautiful and believe me that > >> can get > >> >> > > >> into the pricey range. Her wedding saris was well over 30,000 > >> Euro and > >> >> > > >> her mothers was just as bad.. was never told the exact price.. > >> but > >> >> > > >> it was out of the finest silk.. > > >> >> > > >> There are benefits to globalization ,, unfortunately those > >> benefits > >> >> > > >> are easily destroyed by those people and companies that are > >> extremely > >> >> > > >> selfish and uncaring... Greedy is to soft a word for their > >> >> > > >> activities.. > >> >> > > >> Allan > > >> >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:16 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> > A great question- what is it? Maybe it is what the major > >> powers/ > >> >> > > >> > economies tell us it is. Facts betray the huge inequities > >> among the > >> >> > > >> > nations/humanity. I would hope we don't lose some of our > >> differences > >> >> > > >> > and adopt one style and language. Saris are my favorite to > >> watch and > >> >> > > >> > think Indian and Asian women beat out Americans- the men > >> aren't bad > >> >> > > >> > either. Remember when we were all so separated and the > >> "other" seemed > >> >> > > >> > to look the same- a kind of blindness, I guess. > > >> >> > > >> > On Nov 15, 8:47 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> The big question is what is globalising. In part this is > >> stuff we > >> >> > > >> >> don't want. We are still haunted by superstition, sexism > >> and > >> >> > > >> >> imperialism. I'd like to see more of our economies about > >> building > >> >> > > >> >> safe communities and see foreign policies and our limited > >> vision of > >> >> > > >> >> 'efficiency' as the major bars to this. Disease is likely > >> >> > > >> >> globalising, the ability to make WMDs and take part in > >> manufacturing > >> >> > > >> >> for war. > > >> >> > > >> >> On 15 Nov, 23:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > I would substitute ignorance for indifference. > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Nov 15, 10:00 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Untill nationalisn has distinctive meaning, political > >> and > >> >> > > cultural, and > >> >> > > >> >> > > economic, free movement of people can only be a pipe > >> dream. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > And the "meaning," it must be remembered, is an > >> emotional - > >> >> > > mental thing... > >> >> > > >> >> > > not merely intellectual. That's how phenomenal > >> dimensions of any > >> >> > > thing > >> >> > > >> >> > > extends ... from indifference to emotional values, > >> covering > >> >> > > almost > >> >> > > >> >> > > everything existential in society, politics and > >> economics ... > >> >> > > and to > >> >> > > >> >> > > intellectual conviction, which is singularly absent in > >> >> > > everything > >> >> > > >> >> > > experiential that individuals bring into their attitudes > >> and > >> >> > > everyday > >> >> > > >> >> > > decision-making at their present level evolution. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > One of the most intellectual calls was issued by Marx. > >> No one > >> >> > > could stand > >> >> > > >> >> > > up to its rigour ... not the champions and subscribers, > >> not the > >> >> > > staus > >> >> > > >> >> > > quoist rest of the world. Capitalism stays, because it > >> factors > >> >> > > in our > >> >> > > >> >> > > emotional drives, not because it is most just and fair > >> to the > >> >> > > weakest in > >> >> > > >> >> > > our midst ! > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Au revoir ... > > >> >> > > >> >> > > On Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:15:49 PM UTC+5:30, Lee > >> Douglas > >> >> > > wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Meh! As you know I'm all for freedom of movement, > >> live where > >> >> > > you like, if > >> >> > > >> >> > > > much of India wish to migrate to The USA and settle in > >> the Mid > >> >> > > West then go > >> >> > > >> >> > > > to it. However with around only 3-5% of Earth's land > >> mass > >> >> > > populated and > >> >> > > >> >> > > > with an increasing amount of that population living in > >> urban > >> >> > > environments I > >> >> > > >> >> > > > daresay that India has much land of it's own in which > >> it's > >> >> > > residents can > >> >> > > >> >> > > > settle. Even when much of the land is gone, we are in > >> fact > >> >> > > making strides > >> >> > > >> >> > > > for sea based habitat. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Over population is a concern, much, much more for > >> reasons of > >> >> > > food > >> >> > > >> >> > > > and energy production though than any reasons of not > >> enough > >> >> > > land mass. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > On Thursday, 15 November 2012 14:15:16 UTC, Allan > >> Heretic > >> >> > > wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> Okay there is large sections of farm land in the Mid > >> west > >> >> > > maybe we > > ... > > read more » --
