Yes- I prefer a happy medium also. On Nov 19, 5:49 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > From my perspective this reborn metaphor is misleading, it leads you to the > next level of happy self betrayal. The Amish community is a wonderful > example of what it looks like when an evolving society allows a small group > to conserve themselves in their own bubble and protects them from natural > updating processes. I believe there is better ways to not forget the values > of America's European history. > > 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > > > > > In my opinion opting out of their game is more like being reborn than of > > going to your own funeral. The less defendant we are on others or on > > things, the more free we are. We have grown to be so defendant on the > > system that we are afraid that we can not survive without it. The Amish > > community is an example that clearly demonstrates that we can survive and > > even thrive without the system that I refer to as globalization. It is > > dangerous to put all your eggs in one basket. > > > On Monday, November 19, 2012 11:39:27 AM UTC+1, gabbydott wrote: > > >> It really is that simple. It is like going to your own funeral. > > >> 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > > >> With drugs and mass media they control our desires and with drugs and > >>> schools they control our thinking. The only simple solution I can think of > >>> is not to play their game. Just refuse to buy what they offer to sell. . > > >>> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:47:11 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > >>>> globalization can be very beneficial and granted there are many self > >>>> centered individuals and corporations that have that have little > >>>> concern for others or our world.. but one thing that is coming out of > >>>> it they can not control what people thing and desire their world to > >>>> be.. Little by little I see people reclaiming the dreams of a better > >>>> world. > >>>> Oh well what can you expect from an old hippie > >>>> Allan > > >>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > Andrew is obviously right when one considers where our wealth is > >>>> > ending-up. This group is broadly parochial, white and barely > >>>> > understands what it excludes and how. We are reliant on centralised > >>>> > technology that is soon to force us to a format we don't want. > >>>> > Rigsy's question is about right. Previous globalisation was > >>>> > colonising and I suspect most of what we are witnessing now is in > >>>> that > >>>> > model. It would be good to make the move in emphasis Molly suggests, > >>>> > but the signs in the underlying business model indicate the opposite > >>>> > to me - currently remaining in advertising and making a killing in > >>>> > market share. There is another (dated) form of globalisation in the > >>>> > phrase 'workers of the world unite' and it must be clear this has > >>>> been > >>>> > resisted by the powerful other than in their own 'guilds'. My list > >>>> on > >>>> > what globalisation is would be long and rather vague - including > >>>> > teaching foreign students with bare English textbook answers I kn ow > >>>> > to be rot. James Bond has globalised but not decent water, food and > >>>> > housing for all - let alone freedom from the kind of idiots on all > >>>> > sides who keep such stuff as the Arab-Israeli conflict going. > > >>>> > We need realistic optimism - but this means embracing really bad news > >>>> > on climate (worse than we think) and history (much worse than we > >>>> > think) in order to see how we get some decent stuff done amongst the > >>>> > enemies of open society. Globalisation is getting very real in the > >>>> > sense of telepresence (I could be operated on in Bolton by a surgeon > >>>> > in Madras) and other varieties of the embodiment of knowledge that > >>>> > will allow remote and even home manufacturing. > > >>>> > Postmodernism (which I regard as the move to modernism we have never > >>>> > had) is bringing about a legitimation crisis. I am broadly (but not > >>>> > completely) free of the religious dross taught in youth and chronic > >>>> > copy-teachers who told me Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 53AD and > >>>> > that humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes like other apes. To > >>>> discover > >>>> > the extent of ideological dross in my education I travelled. The > >>>> > Internet's supposedly global reach does not even compare. How could > >>>> > anything be more parochial that Faceflop and Twatter? What would be > >>>> > want to globalise - does anyone ever ask us? How about freedom from > >>>> > work as means of income? > > >>>> > On 18 Nov, 14:11, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> >> I disagree, Andrew, and take a view more like Alan's. Globalization > >>>> >> occurs when more folks operate from a world-centric life view (not > >>>> ego- > >>>> >> centric or ethno-centric), more countries are trading goods and > >>>> >> services, and more folks have access to goods and services from > >>>> other > >>>> >> countries. This group is comprised of folks from many different > >>>> parts > >>>> >> of the world. A good example. > > >>>> >> On Nov 18, 4:09 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> >> > Globalization is reverting to the ownership and control of > >>>> everything world > >>>> >> > wide by the few. That is the danger of it all. > > >>>> >> > On Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> >> > > I think realistically globalization is revering to the access to > >>>> >> > > everything world wide > >>>> >> > > Allan > > >>>> >> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, rigsy03 > >>>> >> > > <[email protected]<javascript:>> > >>>> >> > > wrote: > >>>> >> > > > But what does the term "globalization" mean? It is an abstract > >>>> term. > >>>> >> > > > (Sort of like Alexander's "empire" at his death- to be defined > >>>> by the > >>>> >> > > > strongest?) > > >>>> >> > > > On Nov 17, 4:18 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> >> > > >> I agree with you Saris are very beautiful and believe me that > >>>> can get > >>>> >> > > >> into the pricey range. Her wedding saris was well over 30,000 > >>>> Euro and > >>>> >> > > >> her mothers was just as bad.. was never told the exact > >>>> price.. but > >>>> >> > > >> it was out of the finest silk.. > > >>>> >> > > >> There are benefits to globalization ,, unfortunately those > >>>> benefits > >>>> >> > > >> are easily destroyed by those people and companies that are > >>>> extremely > >>>> >> > > >> selfish and uncaring... Greedy is to soft a word for their > >>>> >> > > >> activities.. > >>>> >> > > >> Allan > > >>>> >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:16 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> >> > > >> > A great question- what is it? Maybe it is what the major > >>>> powers/ > >>>> >> > > >> > economies tell us it is. Facts betray the huge inequities > >>>> among the > >>>> >> > > >> > nations/humanity. I would hope we don't lose some of our > >>>> differences > >>>> >> > > >> > and adopt one style and language. Saris are my favorite to > >>>> watch and > >>>> >> > > >> > think Indian and Asian women beat out Americans- the men > >>>> aren't bad > >>>> >> > > >> > either. Remember when we were all so separated and the > >>>> "other" seemed > >>>> >> > > >> > to look the same- a kind of blindness, I guess. > > >>>> >> > > >> > On Nov 15, 8:47 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> >> > > >> >> The big question is what is globalising. In part this is > >>>> stuff we > >>>> >> > > >> >> don't want. We are still haunted by superstition, sexism > >>>> and > >>>> >> > > >> >> imperialism. I'd like to see more of our economies about > >>>> building > >>>> >> > > >> >> safe communities and see foreign policies and our limited > >>>> vision of > >>>> >> > > >> >> 'efficiency' as the major bars to this. Disease is likely > >>>> >> > > >> >> globalising, the ability to make WMDs and take part in > >>>> manufacturing > >>>> >> > > >> >> for war. > > >>>> >> > > >> >> On 15 Nov, 23:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > I would substitute ignorance for indifference. > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > On Nov 15, 10:00 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > Untill nationalisn has distinctive meaning, political > >>>> and > >>>> >> > > cultural, and > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > economic, free movement of people can only be a pipe > >>>> dream. > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > And the "meaning," it must be remembered, is an > >>>> emotional - > >>>> >> > > mental thing... > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > not merely intellectual. That's how phenomenal > >>>> dimensions of any > >>>> >> > > thing > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > extends ... from indifference to emotional values, > >>>> covering > >>>> >> > > almost > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > everything existential in society, politics and > >>>> economics ... > >>>> >> > > and to > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > intellectual conviction, which is singularly absent in > >>>> >> > > everything > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > experiential that individuals bring into their > >>>> attitudes and > >>>> >> > > everyday > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > decision-making at their present level evolution. > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > One of the most intellectual calls was issued by Marx. > >>>> No one > >>>> >> > > could stand > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > up to its rigour ... not the champions and > >>>> subscribers, not the > >>>> >> > > staus > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > quoist rest of the world. Capitalism stays, because it > >>>> factors > >>>> >> > > in our > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > emotional drives, not because it is most just and fair > >>>> to the > >>>> >> > > weakest in > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > our midst ! > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > Au revoir ... > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > On Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:15:49 PM UTC+5:30, > >>>> Lee Douglas > >>>> >> > > wrote: > > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > > Meh! As you know I'm all for freedom of movement, > >>>> live where > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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