That is true Rigsy a monastic life and the rest of the world are a stark contrast.. normal life should a little more to the interior life and away from the selfishness of the world. Allan
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:36 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I have several of his books which I read a long while back. The main > thing is to develop an interior life from which love and grace can > spring. This contrasts to a very external-based worldliness. A very > strange ending to his life. > > On Nov 19, 7:03 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't think that isolating like the Amish (who lead their >> ethnocentric group with control measures) or focusing on the ills of >> government, law enforcement or narrow economic pictures give a clear >> picture of what globalization means to humanity. Ultimately, what is >> seen in separation, separates us. I feel toward humanity as Thomas >> Merton: >> >> "There is in all things an inexhaustible sweetness and purity, a >> silence that is a fountain of action and joy. It rises up in wordless >> gentleness and flows out of me from unseen roots of all created >> beings." >> >> The unseen roots unite us, and globalization is spirit in action in >> the "rising up." How this manifests in our view is largely dependent >> on our own given focus. If it is dismal we need to feel, we will see >> the dismal every time. It doesn't change the fact that heaven on >> earth is ours for the taking. More spirit in action. >> >> "It doesn't matter which you heard, the holy or the broken >> Hallelujah." Both holy and broken co-exist. Both are holy in the >> unification. >> >> On Nov 19, 6:49 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > From my perspective this reborn metaphor is misleading, it leads you to the >> > next level of happy self betrayal. The Amish community is a wonderful >> > example of what it looks like when an evolving society allows a small group >> > to conserve themselves in their own bubble and protects them from natural >> > updating processes. I believe there is better ways to not forget the values >> > of America's European history. >> >> > 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <[email protected]> >> >> > > In my opinion opting out of their game is more like being reborn than of >> > > going to your own funeral. The less defendant we are on others or on >> > > things, the more free we are. We have grown to be so defendant on the >> > > system that we are afraid that we can not survive without it. The Amish >> > > community is an example that clearly demonstrates that we can survive and >> > > even thrive without the system that I refer to as globalization. It is >> > > dangerous to put all your eggs in one basket. >> >> > > On Monday, November 19, 2012 11:39:27 AM UTC+1, gabbydott wrote: >> >> > >> It really is that simple. It is like going to your own funeral. >> >> > >> 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <[email protected]> >> >> > >> With drugs and mass media they control our desires and with drugs and >> > >>> schools they control our thinking. The only simple solution I can >> > >>> think of >> > >>> is not to play their game. Just refuse to buy what they offer to sell. >> > >>> . >> >> > >>> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:47:11 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> > >>>> globalization can be very beneficial and granted there are many self >> > >>>> centered individuals and corporations that have that have little >> > >>>> concern for others or our world.. but one thing that is coming out of >> > >>>> it they can not control what people thing and desire their world to >> > >>>> be.. Little by little I see people reclaiming the dreams of a better >> > >>>> world. >> > >>>> Oh well what can you expect from an old hippie >> > >>>> Allan >> >> > >>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >>>> > Andrew is obviously right when one considers where our wealth is >> > >>>> > ending-up. This group is broadly parochial, white and barely >> > >>>> > understands what it excludes and how. We are reliant on centralised >> > >>>> > technology that is soon to force us to a format we don't want. >> > >>>> > Rigsy's question is about right. Previous globalisation was >> > >>>> > colonising and I suspect most of what we are witnessing now is in >> > >>>> that >> > >>>> > model. It would be good to make the move in emphasis Molly >> > >>>> > suggests, >> > >>>> > but the signs in the underlying business model indicate the opposite >> > >>>> > to me - currently remaining in advertising and making a killing in >> > >>>> > market share. There is another (dated) form of globalisation in the >> > >>>> > phrase 'workers of the world unite' and it must be clear this has >> > >>>> been >> > >>>> > resisted by the powerful other than in their own 'guilds'. My list >> > >>>> on >> > >>>> > what globalisation is would be long and rather vague - including >> > >>>> > teaching foreign students with bare English textbook answers I kn ow >> > >>>> > to be rot. James Bond has globalised but not decent water, food and >> > >>>> > housing for all - let alone freedom from the kind of idiots on all >> > >>>> > sides who keep such stuff as the Arab-Israeli conflict going. >> >> > >>>> > We need realistic optimism - but this means embracing really bad >> > >>>> > news >> > >>>> > on climate (worse than we think) and history (much worse than we >> > >>>> > think) in order to see how we get some decent stuff done amongst the >> > >>>> > enemies of open society. Globalisation is getting very real in the >> > >>>> > sense of telepresence (I could be operated on in Bolton by a surgeon >> > >>>> > in Madras) and other varieties of the embodiment of knowledge that >> > >>>> > will allow remote and even home manufacturing. >> >> > >>>> > Postmodernism (which I regard as the move to modernism we have never >> > >>>> > had) is bringing about a legitimation crisis. I am broadly (but not >> > >>>> > completely) free of the religious dross taught in youth and chronic >> > >>>> > copy-teachers who told me Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 53AD and >> > >>>> > that humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes like other apes. To >> > >>>> discover >> > >>>> > the extent of ideological dross in my education I travelled. The >> > >>>> > Internet's supposedly global reach does not even compare. How >> > >>>> > could >> > >>>> > anything be more parochial that Faceflop and Twatter? What would be >> > >>>> > want to globalise - does anyone ever ask us? How about freedom from >> > >>>> > work as means of income? >> >> > >>>> > On 18 Nov, 14:11, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >>>> >> I disagree, Andrew, and take a view more like Alan's. >> > >>>> >> Globalization >> > >>>> >> occurs when more folks operate from a world-centric life view (not >> > >>>> ego- >> > >>>> >> centric or ethno-centric), more countries are trading goods and >> > >>>> >> services, and more folks have access to goods and services from >> > >>>> other >> > >>>> >> countries. This group is comprised of folks from many different >> > >>>> parts >> > >>>> >> of the world. A good example. >> >> > >>>> >> On Nov 18, 4:09 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >>>> >> > Globalization is reverting to the ownership and control of >> > >>>> everything world >> > >>>> >> > wide by the few. That is the danger of it all. >> >> > >>>> >> > On Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic >> > >>>> wrote: >> >> > >>>> >> > > I think realistically globalization is revering to the access >> > >>>> >> > > to >> > >>>> >> > > everything world wide >> > >>>> >> > > Allan >> >> > >>>> >> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, rigsy03 >> > >>>> >> > > <[email protected]<javascript:>> >> > >>>> >> > > wrote: >> > >>>> >> > > > But what does the term "globalization" mean? It is an >> > >>>> >> > > > abstract >> > >>>> term. >> > >>>> >> > > > (Sort of like Alexander's "empire" at his death- to be >> > >>>> >> > > > defined >> > >>>> by the >> > >>>> >> > > > strongest?) >> >> > >>>> >> > > > On Nov 17, 4:18 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >>>> >> > > >> I agree with you Saris are very beautiful and believe me >> > >>>> >> > > >> that >> > >>>> can get >> > >>>> >> > > >> into the pricey range. Her wedding saris was well over >> > >>>> >> > > >> 30,000 >> > >>>> Euro and >> > >>>> >> > > >> her mothers was just as bad.. was never told the exact >> > >>>> price.. but >> > >>>> >> > > >> it was out of the finest silk.. >> >> > >>>> >> > > >> There are benefits to globalization ,, unfortunately those >> > >>>> benefits >> > >>>> >> > > >> are easily destroyed by those people and companies that are >> > >>>> extremely >> > >>>> >> > > >> selfish and uncaring... Greedy is to soft a word for their >> > >>>> >> > > >> activities.. >> > >>>> >> > > >> Allan >> >> > >>>> >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:16 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> >> > >>>> wrote: >> > >>>> >> > > >> > A great question- what is it? Maybe it is what the major >> > >>>> powers/ >> > >>>> >> > > >> > economies tell us it is. Facts betray the huge inequities >> > >>>> among the >> > >>>> >> > > >> > nations/humanity. I would hope we don't lose some of our >> > >>>> differences >> > >>>> >> > > >> > and adopt one style and language. Saris are my favorite to >> > >>>> watch and >> > >>>> >> > > >> > think Indian and Asian women beat out Americans- the men >> > >>>> aren't bad >> > >>>> >> > > >> > either. Remember when we were all so separated and the >> > >>>> "other" seemed >> > >>>> >> > > >> > to look the same- a kind of blindness, I guess. >> >> > >>>> >> > > >> > On Nov 15, 8:47 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> The big question is what is globalising. In part this is >> > >>>> stuff we >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> don't want. We are still haunted by superstition, sexism >> > >>>> and >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> imperialism. I'd like to see more of our economies about >> > >>>> building >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> safe communities and see foreign policies and our limited >> > >>>> vision of >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> 'efficiency' as the major bars to this. Disease is >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> likely >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> globalising, the ability to make WMDs and take part in >> > >>>> manufacturing >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> for war. >> >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> On 15 Nov, 23:34, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> > I would substitute ignorance for indifference. >> >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> > On Nov 15, 10:00 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > Untill nationalisn has distinctive meaning, political >> > >>>> and >> > >>>> >> > > cultural, and >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > economic, free movement of people can only be a pipe >> > >>>> dream. >> >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > And the "meaning," it must be remembered, is an >> > >>>> emotional - >> > >>>> >> > > mental thing... >> > >>>> >> > > >> >> > > not merely intellectual. That's how phenomenal >> > >>>> dimensions of any >> >> ... >> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. I am a Natural Airgunner - Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. --
