for the most part they still are closed over here.. that must make Holland, Utopia! Allan
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 7:58 AM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > And stores were closed on Sundays...Maybe that was Utopia! > > On Dec 6, 10:58 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> One possible resolution is to change our ideas on childcare. I'm not >> sure the focus has to be so much in the home. From the point of view >> of women and men wanting to have kids and look after them the system >> has lots of roadblocks - not least childcare and the times it is >> available (and cost). The big snag with creating decent lifestyles is >> one needs radical change and it's no use waiting for socialist utopia >> or robot heaven - which would be chimera anyway. >> Most of my students with young kids found it hard to start lectures at >> 9 a.m. or attend in the evening or the afternoon after 3 p.m. At the >> same time we had staff in the same position very good at slotting >> their timetables between 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. The provision of >> childcare was always 'under review' rather than a reality. The >> obvious answer is to get more flexibility and childcare in schools >> throughout the year. This is a non-starter in 'business reality'. >> >> On 6 Dec, 13:06, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Which leads to over-compensation and a new prejudice often/sometimes. >> > My maternal history spanned biblicals but somehow I was able to be >> > mostly a stay-at-home mom which even the children were grateful for >> > and I hope to revive some of those skills with my grand-daughters as >> > change is on the way. I have truly missed family this last dozen >> > years. But I do see the additional stress on young women trying to >> > juggle all those "hats"- I even felt jealous of men dashing off to >> > their office when I had toddlers plus business on my mind. >> >> > On Dec 6, 4:24 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > My own feeling on the work side of equality is we have to do too much >> > > of it and that there is, in fact, plenty of time in a 40 year work >> > > span for ten years off to deal with early child carrying and nurture >> > > (or alternatives). We are trying to establish equality in an already >> > > misunderstood and warped system. >> >> > > On 5 Dec, 00:39, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > Actually, where I am going to is economics and job creation since >> > > > women are now equal in western countries and have embraced working >> > > > outside the home or must be a co-bread-winner due to the cost of >> > > > living. Plus all must compete with the machine and technology or >> > > > competitive foreign labor. There are dozens of side issues such as >> > > > longer life spans, over-population, impact of financial and government >> > > > mismanagement, etc.//I tend to view the two sexes as a reader/failed >> > > > writer- as types through history and am not very sentimental though >> > > > culture continues to send mixed messages even currently.//It's lovely >> > > > that you had such a positive experience with your own family despite >> > > > Tolstoy thinking happy families were all alike and possibly not >> > > > interesting to him as a writer. I think them fortunate although I >> > > > suppose there is a sense of quest and heroic attempts for those less >> > > > blessed that warms the soul.//Frankly, the Duchess is reminding me of >> > > > how ill I was with my first pregnancy with no tlc or hospital- finally >> > > > my mother-in-law had to take charge. Also another thing- my kind >> > > > neighbor laughing he was glad he wasn't a woman after his daughter-in >> > > > law's very difficult/dangerous labor (over 2 days) and delivery. Don't >> > > > worry- I bit my tongue. >> >> > > > On Dec 4, 4:11 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > My Mum and elder sister were pretty strong characters and it never >> > > > > really crossed my mind to treat anyone with other than the respect I >> > > > > felt for them. I see where you re coming from rigs. The repression >> > > > > is ongoing in some minds and reality around the world. We are just >> > > > > changing our gender bias in 'heir to the throne rankings' so that >> > > > > female children get equal place. Quite why we haven't worked out the >> > > > > real issue has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with >> > > > > throwing out the Royals I don't know. If the gender-free inheritance >> > > > > rules had pertained 100 years before WW1 the British King in 1914 >> > > > > would have been - er - Kaiser Wilhelm! >> > > > > There clearly are women's issues (men's, gays etc.) - and I doubt >> > > > > they >> > > > > can or should be exclusively derived 'within gender' or sub-classes - >> > > > > though this doesn't preclude groups talking the stuff through on such >> > > > > a basis. I tend to think there has been progress, but I'm not sure >> > > > > how this has come about, if it has. >> >> > > > > On 4 Dec, 04:01, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > Thanks.// I think your reaction can be traced back to the time when >> > > > > > men were considered the main/only source of security so women were >> > > > > > more likely to protect that; it really is more complicated, >> > > > > > however. >> > > > > > Earlier homesteading and farming offered a different balance- a >> > > > > > very >> > > > > > important role for the female that gave her a natural or necessary >> > > > > > equality. But younger couples are working on a balance, as I see >> > > > > > it.// >> > > > > > Was going to bring Hesiod into the mix as he set out a horrid >> > > > > > description of females in the "Theogeny" (IX, 507-616), written in >> > > > > > 8 >> > > > > > B.C.. I vaguely remember the professor saying he probably was an >> > > > > > ugly >> > > > > > farmer who was spurned by women so he took his revenge. But given >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > date, it is close to the Eden story. Another work came to mind >> > > > > > written >> > > > > > in the 1950's that I have poked around- "America As A >> > > > > > Civilization" by >> > > > > > Max Lerner- particularly Chapter VIII/Section 6- "The Ordeal of the >> > > > > > American Woman" which captures some of what I was looking for in >> > > > > > way >> > > > > > of explanation for my parent's generation. I think he captured it- >> > > > > > for >> > > > > > a man. :-) >> >> > > > > > On Dec 3, 8:34 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > Your new account is off moderation rigsy. I've always been >> > > > > > > struck >> > > > > > > that women talking and acting for themselves are not reflected >> > > > > > > in the >> > > > > > > literature and that some of the characters most dangerous to >> > > > > > > equal >> > > > > > > opportunity are female. >> >> > > > > > > On 2 Dec, 06:27, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > On Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:30:37 AM UTC-6, archytas >> > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > The Body Class and Work Disability Discrimination Equality >> > > > > > > > > of Opportunity Identity Politics Multiculturalism >> > > > > > > > > Objectification Parenthood and Procreation Power Race Rape >> > > > > > > > > Reproduction and the Family Science The Self Sex and Gender >> > > > > > > > > Sex Markets Trans Issues These are just some of the topics I >> > > > > > > > > thought I could put forward in teaching gender issues in >> > > > > > > > > management. They underlie the bland politically correct >> > > > > > > > > policy matters. One thing has always occurred to me as >> > > > > > > > > missing in every debate I can remember. Women are as bad as >> > > > > > > > > men as managers. I equate equality with hospitality (always >> > > > > > > > > two-sided at least) and suspect we don't realise behaviour >> > > > > > > > > is much less to do with gender or the individual than we >> > > > > > > > > think and perhaps has little to do with rationality. I don't >> > > > > > > > > think we see the wood for the trees on gender. >> >> > > > > > > > How unlike anything EVER mentioned to me as a girl or young >> > > > > > > > woman. I suppose we depended on family tradition, religion and >> > > > > > > > etiquette as we were groomed for marriage via mystery, >> > > > > > > > motherhood and homemaking. 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