Time does pass, difficult or otherwise. Our language and behavior during those times form our relationships in ways we understand, and often, in ways we don't.
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:19:53 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote: > > When it comes to life one thing I am sure o is This to shall pass.. > some times are just harder than other times. > Allan > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Molly <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > Having suffered a whopping case of PTSD during my divorce, I do > understand. > > Not at all like living through the baby's colic, because justification > was > > not an issue. The baby came first, his comfort and care - not knowing > what > > that entailed, really, at the level of the unseen, just knowing that > there > > was more than meets the eye involved. > > > > Suffering through the abuse of another is a warriors task. The > opportunity > > to stand and come through the experience with integrity in tact. It is > what > > it is. Life. > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:51:53 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote: > >> > >> Remarkable what extent even abuse such as persistent shouting can > >> deform minds Molly. Our dog is a beast of peace. I wouldn't ask > >> obedience from him beyond keeping him safe. We used to demand such > >> from women. I wonder how this was resisted to the point no reasonable > >> man should expect it? And how we might learn more resistance to other > >> social-cultural inequality and the poor state of universal suffrage? > >> > >> On Dec 12, 12:18 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > My youngest had colic for more than six less than seven months, and I > >> > remember it well. He also came out full of energy and would run in > >> > circles > >> > around a room for the longest time. I filled it full of balloons once > >> > and > >> > he loved it, but was chastised by the doctor who was afraid he might > >> > break > >> > one and inhale it. We do what we must to keep the joy in difficult > >> > experience. I can tell you that now my 25 year old youngest son is a > >> > calm, > >> > wonderful, loving person who knows how to support the people he > loves, > >> > inequality > >> > having felt so in his younger years. > >> > > >> > Sounds to me like you have the stuff of a wonderful dad, Ash. Life > gives > >> > us > >> > experiences we cannot think our way through to teach us that the mind > is > >> > not always necessary, and we are often the better for moving beyond > it. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sunday, December 9, 2012 11:31:11 PM UTC-5, Ash wrote: > >> > > >> > > My last semester was rough, my older son is full of energy and mom > had > >> > > to take a break. The first six months are pretty much blank, some > >> > > people > >> > > called it a "colic" but for the longest time I just remember > holding > >> > > him > >> > > all night humming and rocking, up every two hours all night for a > >> > > bottle > >> > > or comforting, then 'have to be to work in an hour' and get up from > >> > > sitting position on the couch, set him in the carseat and throw on > >> > > something lacking the wet spot in the lap (every night). The mind > goes > >> > > to a different place when enduring, but despite being very passive > and > >> > > thinking way too much I'm hardheaded as hell so all I said was, > "Give > >> > > it > >> > > time sweety, please don't make me choose, I'll do whatever it > takes." > >> > > >> > > After a look at the therapy forum open on our other computer I > decided > >> > > there were many things I just can't say. It's best to acknowledge > my > >> > > failures with a measure of dignity. Perhaps I'm at an advantage > having > >> > > no idea what it means to be a man. It has taken some time in study > to > >> > > connect categorically with the species, and it has taken a bit more > >> > > than > >> > > science, sociology, and psychology has offered. > >> > > >> > > Rigsy I hope you don't take my glacial speed personally, there's > way > >> > > too > >> > > much to sort out on this end. At least that is the safer 'stoic' > >> > > appearance to show. Which 'right reason'? From what I've seen it > only > >> > > exists in territorial dominance (or hermetic orders :p ). Not sure > >> > > what > >> > > type of contribution to the study this is Archy, but here it is. > >> > > >> > > On 12/6/2012 11:58 AM, archytas wrote: > >> > > > One possible resolution is to change our ideas on childcare. I'm > >> > > > not > >> > > > sure the focus has to be so much in the home. From the point of > >> > > > view > >> > > > of women and men wanting to have kids and look after them the > system > >> > > > has lots of roadblocks - not least childcare and the times it is > >> > > > available (and cost). The big snag with creating decent > lifestyles > >> > > > is > >> > > > one needs radical change and it's no use waiting for socialist > >> > > > utopia > >> > > > or robot heaven - which would be chimera anyway. > >> > > > Most of my students with young kids found it hard to start > lectures > >> > > > at > >> > > > 9 a.m. or attend in the evening or the afternoon after 3 p.m. At > >> > > > the > >> > > > same time we had staff in the same position very good at slotting > >> > > > their timetables between 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. The provision of > >> > > > childcare was always 'under review' rather than a reality. The > >> > > > obvious answer is to get more flexibility and childcare in > schools > >> > > > throughout the year. This is a non-starter in 'business > reality'. > >> > > >> > > > On 6 Dec, 13:06, rigs<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> Which leads to over-compensation and a new prejudice > >> > > >> often/sometimes. > >> > > >> My maternal history spanned biblicals but somehow I was able to > be > >> > > >> mostly a stay-at-home mom which even the children were grateful > for > >> > > >> and I hope to revive some of those skills with my > grand-daughters > >> > > >> as > >> > > >> change is on the way. I have truly missed family this last dozen > >> > > >> years. But I do see the additional stress on young women trying > to > >> > > >> juggle all those "hats"- I even felt jealous of men dashing off > to > >> > > >> their office when I had toddlers plus business on my mind. > >> > > >> > > >> On Dec 6, 4:24 am, archytas<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>> My own feeling on the work side of equality is we have to do > too > >> > > >>> much > >> > > >>> of it and that there is, in fact, plenty of time in a 40 year > work > >> > > >>> span for ten years off to deal with early child carrying and > >> > > >>> nurture > >> > > >>> (or alternatives). We are trying to establish equality in an > >> > > >>> already > >> > > >>> misunderstood and warped system. > >> > > >> > > >>> On 5 Dec, 00:39, rigs<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>>> Actually, where I am going to is economics and job creation > since > >> > > >>>> women are now equal in western countries and have embraced > >> > > >>>> working > >> > > >>>> outside the home or must be a co-bread-winner due to the cost > of > >> > > >>>> living. Plus all must compete with the machine and technology > or > >> > > >>>> competitive foreign labor. There are dozens of side issues > such > >> > > >>>> as > >> > > >>>> longer life spans, over-population, impact of financial and > >> > > government > >> > > >>>> mismanagement, etc.//I tend to view the two sexes as a > >> > > >>>> reader/failed > >> > > >>>> writer- as types through history and am not very sentimental > >> > > >>>> though > >> > > >>>> culture continues to send mixed messages even currently.//It's > >> > > >>>> lovely > >> > > >>>> that you had such a positive experience with your own family > >> > > >>>> despite > >> > > >>>> Tolstoy thinking happy families were all alike and possibly > not > >> > > >>>> interesting to him as a writer. I think them fortunate > although I > >> > > >>>> suppose there is a sense of quest and heroic attempts for > those > >> > > >>>> less > >> > > >>>> blessed that warms the soul.//Frankly, the Duchess is > reminding > >> > > >>>> me of > >> > > >>>> how ill I was with my first pregnancy with no tlc or hospital- > >> > > finally > >> > > >>>> my mother-in-law had to take charge. Also another thing- my > kind > >> > > >>>> neighbor laughing he was glad he wasn't a woman after his > >> > > >>>> daughter-in > >> > > >>>> law's very difficult/dangerous labor (over 2 days) and > delivery. > >> > > Don't > >> > > >>>> worry- I bit my tongue. > >> > > >> > > >>>> On Dec 4, 4:11 am, archytas<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>>>> My Mum and elder sister were pretty strong characters and it > >> > > >>>>> never > >> > > >>>>> really crossed my mind to treat anyone with other than the > >> > > >>>>> respect I > >> > > >>>>> felt for them. I see where you re coming from rigs. The > >> > > >>>>> repression > >> > > >>>>> is ongoing in some minds and reality around the world. We > are > >> > > >>>>> just > >> > > >>>>> changing our gender bias in 'heir to the throne rankings' so > >> > > >>>>> that > >> > > >>>>> female children get equal place. Quite why we haven't worked > >> > > >>>>> out > >> > > the > >> > > >>>>> real issue has nothing to do with gender and everything to do > >> > > >>>>> with > >> > > >>>>> throwing out the Royals I don't know. If the gender-free > >> > > inheritance > >> > > >>>>> rules had pertained 100 years before WW1 the British King in > >> > > >>>>> 1914 > >> > > >>>>> would have been - er - Kaiser Wilhelm! > >> > > >>>>> There clearly are women's issues (men's, gays etc.) - and I > >> > > >>>>> doubt > >> > > they > >> > > >>>>> can or should be exclusively derived 'within gender' or > >> > > >>>>> sub-classes > >> > > - > >> > > >>>>> though this doesn't preclude groups talking the stuff through > on > >> > > such > >> > > >>>>> a basis. I tend to think there has been progress, but I'm > not > >> > > >>>>> sure > >> > > >>>>> how this has come about, if it has. > >> > > >> > > >>>>> On 4 Dec, 04:01, rigs<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>>>>> Thanks.// I think your reaction can be traced back to the > time > >> > > >>>>>> when > >> > > >>>>>> men were considered the main/only source of security so > women > >> > > >>>>>> were > >> > > >>>>>> more likely to protect that; it really is more complicated, > >> > > however. > >> > > >>>>>> Earlier homesteading and farming offered a different > balance- a > >> > > very > >> > > >>>>>> important role for the female that gave her a natural or > >> > > >>>>>> necessary > >> > > >>>>>> equality. But younger couples are working on a balance, as I > >> > > >>>>>> see > >> > > it.// > >> > > >>>>>> Was going to bring Hesiod into the mix as he set out a > horrid > >> > > >>>>>> description of females in the "Theogeny" (IX, 507-616), > written > >> > > >>>>>> in > >> > > 8 > >> > > >>>>>> B.C.. I vaguely remember the professor saying he probably > was > >> > > >>>>>> an > >> > > ugly > >> > > >>>>>> farmer who was spurned by women so he took his revenge. But > >> > > >>>>>> given > >> > > the > >> > > >>>>>> date, it is close to the Eden story. Another work came to > mind > >> > > written > >> > > >>>>>> in the 1950's that I have poked around- "America As A > >> > > >>>>>> Civilization" > >> > > by > >> > > >>>>>> Max Lerner- particularly Chapter VIII/Section 6- "The Ordeal > of > >> > > >>>>>> the > >> > > >>>>>> American Woman" which captures some of what I was looking > for > >> > > >>>>>> in > >> > > way > >> > > >>>>>> of explanation for my parent's generation. I think he > captured > >> > > >>>>>> it- > >> > > for > >> > > >>>>>> a man. :-) > >> > > >> > > >>>>>> On Dec 3, 8:34 am, archytas<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>> Your new account is off moderation rigsy. I've always been > >> > > >>>>>>> struck > >> > > >>>>>>> that women talking and acting for themselves are not > reflected > >> > > >>>>>>> in > >> > > the > >> > > >>>>>>> literature and that some of the characters most dangerous > to > >> > > >>>>>>> equal > >> > > >>>>>>> opportunity are female. > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>> On 2 Dec, 06:27, rigs<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:30:37 AM UTC-6, archytas > >> > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > >>>>>>>>> The Body Class and Work Disability Discrimination > Equality > >> > > >>>>>>>>> of > >> > > Opportunity Identity Politics Multiculturalism Objectification > >> > > Parenthood > >> > > and Procreation Power Race Rape Reproduction and the Family Science > >> > > The > >> > > Self Sex and Gender Sex Markets Trans Issues These are just some of > >> > > the > >> > > topics I thought I could put forward in teaching gender issues in > >> > > management. They underlie the bland politically correct policy > >> > > matters. One > >> > > thing has always occurred to me as missing in every debate I can > >> > > remember. > >> > > Women are as bad as men as managers. I equate equality with > >> > > hospitality > >> > > (always two-sided at least) and suspect we don't realise behaviour > is > >> > > much > >> > > less to do with gender or the individual than we think and perhaps > has > >> > > little to do with rationality. I don't think we see the wood for > the > >> > > trees > >> > > on gender. > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>>> How unlike anything EVER mentioned to me as a girl or > young > >> > > woman. I suppose we depended on family tradition, religion and > >> > > etiquette as > >> > > we were groomed for marriage via mystery, motherhood and > homemaking. > >> > > Groomed, indeed!- Hide quoted text - > >> > > >> > > >>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >> > > >> > > >>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >> > > >> > > >>> - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > --
