Really, Allan, don't you think you are projecting or flying off the handle or something here? Don't you want to know what happened to the 8 tiny green turtles? I don't remember- maybe I gave a pair to each couple or I gave them all to my son's first grade the following Monday. I didn't make turtle soup!!!
On Feb 2, 6:55 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > Interesting rigsy you found games that taught lying and cheating and > general dishonesty fun.. that is a strange sense of morality.. or is > it the preparation for loss of morality? > > > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 1:47 PM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > > My dictionary (Random House Collegiate) defines rentiers as those > > living on a fixed income, as from land or bonds. (French) Of course > > nothing is "fixed" anymore since there are many ways to impact any > > security one holds.//There many ways we gamble whether we define it > > that way or not. Frankly, it is a risk to be born when you come right > > down to it but what's the alternative? I don't gamble but did give a > > gambling dinner party for four couples many years ago that was a lot > > of fun- included liar's dice, roulette and ended with a live turtle > > race.//I think you are talking about all the middle men that stand > > between a person and his money/land and that would include governments > > who decide to throw a war or tax the pants off you or make sure you > > are dependent on their services.//Yes- politicians, lawyers and > > brokers along with other professionals are in the business of making > > money off your money by establishing systems that the average person > > cannot access or control. > > > On Feb 1, 11:32 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I tend to 'count the legs of nags' I back rigs (from time to time - I > >> don't gamble much). It's hard to tell the difference between a risk > >> taker and a moron. All gamblers lose unless they have an edge. One- > >> armed bandits are properly named. Given they are allowed to take 25% > >> it's very easy to work out how to run them at no risk at all. I don't > >> play cards for money with friends (because I win). Gamblers with edge > >> either have the rules stacked in their favour or inside information. > >> In most sports the idea is not to play the high risk game and get the > >> other team to take them. I'd love to know what you think risk is. > > >> The rentier-class is totally risk averse and practices usury - they > >> seek he bookmakers' position (there are some risks in some such > >> positions), preferably extracting fees rather than being at risk > >> should certain results flow. We continue to bail them out - so what > >> was at risk? As we bail them out, they get richer but don't offer > >> these riches up as at risk to pay us back.One does find more Americans > >> have swallowed the risk-thrusting-capitalist myth than across Europe - > >> but our oligarchies continue along very similar lines. I don't > >> remember being asked to allow bankers money creation or use asset > >> inflation to back Ponzi schemes. I think you have this one upside > >> down. They've turned what should be an investment system into a > >> gambling club that pays out stipends and privileges as surely as to > >> any nomenclature. > > >> On 1 Feb, 15:18, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Neither is capitalism an accounting system... Accounting is > >> > accounting and simply tells you where your money is going and where > >> > it is.. it is not an economic system accounting will work with > >> > any "ism" > > >> > Sorry about the delay answering Neil.. Over simplification of > >> > spiritual concept is a blessing not a curse.. It is meant and stated > >> > so that even a child can understand what is said and abide by the > >> > spiritual idea. As I see it stating simple ideas into complex > >> > statements is not much more than an excuse to use when trying follow a > >> > spiritual path.. > >> > If a child can understand a spiritual path, then hopefully you too > >> > can understand the path to follow. > > >> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:57 PM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > As if socialism is not also an accounting system!!! It is possible for > >> > > capitalism to be compassionate and altruistic versus enforcement with > >> > > hidden motives.//We have not escaped the past either. You may still be > >> > > eating grass porridge as oatmeal. :-) > > >> > > On Jan 31, 7:30 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I like the divine right analogy rigs. I don't favour capitalism for > >> > >> much the same reason. Much discussion of right and wrong is stuck in > >> > >> a past we need to escape. Origin is difficult. Born a Scot I might > >> > >> revere our heritage - but 3000 years ago 'we' were likely German > >> > >> farmers eating 'grass porridge'. Capitalism broke up much of > >> > >> feudalism, but I suspect it was no more than a revision of Domesday > >> > >> Book accounting and labour exploitation. Much of what actually goes > >> > >> on is not capitalism but the establishment of rents through financial > >> > >> manipulations - essentially a control fraud by the rentier-class. > >> > >> We've been had on a butty - and need more modern argument based on > >> > >> what we know, facts shared in a common language. > >> > >> There is a literature suggesting our environmental knowledge is now > >> > >> important in moral decision-making I think we have missed a lot > >> > >> before this. Current technology is good enough for us to create self- > >> > >> sustaining communities and give up on empire. We need to re-evaluate > >> > >> our morality against this. I don't see this leading to socialism and > >> > >> any aim seems to me to be about considerably more freedom - from such > >> > >> things as war, work ethics formed in times of shortage and need for > >> > >> hard labour and so on. The Soviet empire was much like the Tsars it > >> > >> replaced - we used to call the KGB 'Checkists' after the Tsar's secret > >> > >> police. > >> > >> I suspect capitalism - unless used as a pejorative - is little more > >> > >> than an accounting system. The problem lies in its corruption. > >> > >> People cheat and cheats like crimogenic systems that allow work in the > >> > >> dark. The umpire in cricket is now redundant - machines are better. > >> > >> We could have had a machine accounting system on a global basis by now > >> > >> - instead machines play a bigger role in cheating. Capitalism with > >> > >> fair accounting presents few problems except for losers in the > >> > >> competition. In sport we have competitions that allow losers first > >> > >> draft picks and our course there is no competition if one eradicates > >> > >> the competition. Wigan's dominance of the Rugby League was truly > >> > >> horrible - it was hard t turn up to watch knowing every other team > >> > >> would lose. > >> > >> The pathway to Hell is lined with good intentions Gabby - we are > >> > >> scared of change. Does anyone now believe that rule by the Guardians > >> > >> of future socialist paradise can be established to wither away? Or > >> > >> that the rentiers will wither away as Keynes hoped? And are such > >> > >> matters not the same coin, merely opposite sides? Capitalism has run > >> > >> up a lot of debt - are we so sure of it we can do away with time- > >> > >> honoured debt jubilee? Would it not make more sense to give away what > >> > >> we have built already to the people, have something of a leveling and > >> > >> start again with a new focus on sustainability? > >> > >> The genuine capitalist firm treats finance as a cost - it is difficult > >> > >> to see from this how the vast transactions of financial services are > >> > >> not parasitic on such firms and all of us. The bubbles created cause > >> > >> much misery and form part of a vast Ponzi scheme we have no need of. > >> > >> Beyond this, capitalism is really assumed to be a dirty game of beggar > >> > >> thy neighbour we are ahead in and need to stay ahead in or we'll lose > >> > >> military edge (and so on). We end up justifying doing bad things for > >> > >> the greater end and rationalising this as moral. > > >> > >> On Jan 31, 9:14 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> > The way you contrast socialism and capitalism is like contrasting > >> > >> > creationism versus evolutionism. And by the natural law that the > >> > >> > fittest > >> > >> > will survive you are right to have decided for the evolutionary > >> > >> > view. > > >> > >> > I don't think - and the exchange in this group has helped me a lot > >> > >> > to see > >> > >> > this clearer - we should forget how tempting the search for the > >> > >> > right > >> > >> > answers is. > > >> > >> > 2013/1/31 rigs <[email protected]> > > >> > >> > > I am a fan of capitalism. I consider Marxism and Fascism as an > >> > >> > > extension of socialism which is an extension of divine > >> > >> > > rights,etc., > >> > >> > > i.e. theft, redistribution of another's wealth and labor, > >> > >> > > weakening of > >> > >> > > the body politic (a form of serfdom) which turns governments into > >> > >> > > bloodsuckers via taxes and debt.//Do you think economics is a > >> > >> > > valid > >> > >> > > science? Why, when it has flopped so many times.//We need > >> > >> > > production > >> > >> > > and labor plus consumption so there is a need for immigrants into > >> > >> > > white industrial countries to make up for the decline of white > >> > >> > > births > >> > >> > > (55 million abortions plus birth control). But I wonder if > >> > >> > > illegals > >> > >> > > will pay back taxes and bother to learn English. It might go > >> > >> > > smoother > >> > >> > > if we learn Spanish and Europe learn Arabic.//Family can also hurt > >> > >> > > people but sometimes that hurt teaches valuable lessons. It is > >> > >> > > easier > >> > >> > > to leave some people and events to Heaven though it would probably > >> > >> > > spell the end of the legal profession. > > >> > >> > > On Jan 30, 4:56 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > > > I'm not sure the audience is as wide as your estimate rigs. > >> > >> > > > Technically I am hospitable to any theoretical view from > >> > >> > > > marxism to > >> > >> > > > fascism - though I tend to dislike theoretical views - and > >> > >> > > > hospitable > >> > >> > > > to Islamic theory/s in business analysis - and to guests in my > >> > >> > > > classrooms from all backgrounds. This is easy enough - as easy > >> > >> > > > as > >> > >> > > > offering to put you up if > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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