That might not be a bad idea Neil On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 7:19 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > I have come to the conclusion that yes, it is time you got your novel out. > Out to a wider audience than us. It has been very selfish of us to keep you > occupied for our little ahs and buts. Due to your persistent training of our > immune system I can say that I don't automatically feel sick anymore when > hearing of banksters, economists, police, military, and politicians. Thank > you Neil! > > > 2013/2/16 archytas <[email protected]> >> >> I was OK with the university scene until 1995/6 - that's when fees >> came in and we started recruiting masses of foreign students and >> dropped real entry qualifications more or less to ability to mist the >> mirror. It would be OK if the qualifications and experience really >> did something for most students, but for most it means debt problems >> and most would benefit lot more doing a degree at 25 +. The key >> stats are that the only students who really benefit financially are >> already from well-off families and the lack of really skilled jobs in >> the economy. We could have moved to a model much more involved with >> industry, but instead the way funding worked made it impossible to >> keep up he work we already did in that area - really good work project >> based qualifications were replaced by classroom taught programmes. I >> obtained several million in research/project funding but saw most of >> it wasted. At least in this new line of work no one gets stuck with >> the debt bill. I have to requalify as my assessor certificate has >> lapsed - I'm half-way through and pretty dreadful! Even on this >> course I've noticed about half my fellow students have been taken on >> without enough experience to get assessing jobs. I've already been >> offered work and once I'm up and running Sue will do the course - the >> thinking is that we would be able to do a day a week each after we >> retire to fund some travelling. >> It's not teaching that proved the problem for me Allan - more the >> difficulty in doing what was right for students - I'd be quite happy >> doing lab work with some. Thanks for the kind words Molly - if I'm >> honest what I'd really like a crack at would be the banksters and >> crooked politicians. Rigs has me right in this respect. I must tidy >> up the novel so I can send you guys a copy. >> >> On Feb 11, 12:49 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> > There is a much to be admired in your willingness to let go of the >> > seeming crap and move into opportunities that seem to have more >> > value. I use the word seem because, for me, it is always a leap of >> > faith and I am rarely sure. Your recognition of the opportunities >> > around you is also encouraging. I am with rigs, I doubt if your days >> > will ever be uninteresting. You do seem to find it. >> > >> > On Feb 10, 7:11 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > I'm doing the assignments for my assessor certificate this week (mine >> > > lapsed)- the course is hopeless but I need the ticket. The purpose is >> > > to get work I feel is less of a rip-off than university teaching. We >> > > muddle along! >> > >> > > On Feb 10, 9:12 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > Agreed. >> > >> > > > On Febng1:29 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > I have noticed, over the years, that much 'purpose' is something >> > > > > else >> > > > > - seemingly fabricated - as in mission statements as bad as higher >> > > > > education institutions 'being about' providing high quality >> > > > > educational experiences - something one could hardly think of as >> > > > > differentiating one from another. In practice we seem to be >> > > > > limited >> > > > > to making the same old mistakes with statements of purpose >> > > > > connected >> > > > > with fantasy. We might do better to think more in terms of >> > > > > structuring opportunities to nurture each other. >> > >> > > > > On 10 Feb, 15:30, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > I think purpose is relevant to us, until it is not, like cause >> > > > > > and >> > > > > > effect is important until, it is not. >> > >> > > > > > On Feb 9, 10:42 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > That seems about right ID10. The world is perspectival - all >> > > > > > > sorts of >> > > > > > > stuff is justified from this perspective and that - many >> > > > > > > societies >> > > > > > > have lived with slavery justified and so on. All of us are >> > > > > > > brought up >> > > > > > > to believe one parochial set of beliefs or another. There >> > > > > > > seems to >> > > > > > > have been a time before human perspective. I think science >> > > > > > > has more >> > > > > > > or less told us our purpose is to develop technology to leave >> > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > planet - but this is purpose limited by assumptions it's >> > > > > > > better to >> > > > > > > survive than not. It leaves open wider questions of purpose >> > > > > > > that we >> > > > > > > might gather along the way or give up on. I'm not keen on >> > > > > > > purpose >> > > > > > > gained from religious faith or faith in one's country - we all >> > > > > > > turn >> > > > > > > out to have lots to be ashamed of in these respects. I'm >> > > > > > > fairly sure >> > > > > > > no that human purpose is now largely irrelevant and our future >> > > > > > > lies in >> > > > > > > machine life. >> > > > > > > . >> > >> > > > > > > On Feb 9, 11:31 am, "[email protected]" >> > >> > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > Does the concept of purpose apply to species lower than >> > > > > > > > humans or only to humans? If it does apply then at what level >> > > > > > > > does it stop, >> > > > > > > > sheep, fish, plans? And in case it stops at some level or >> > > > > > > > ronly applies to >> > > > > > > > humans is this definition based on the species having a spirit >> > > > > > > > or a soul as >> > > > > > > > some body may suggest, or is it based on having a certain >> > > > > > > > level of >> > > > > > > > consciousness? If it's based on the concept of a spirit or a >> > > > > > > > soul then it's >> > > > > > > > a matter of metaphysics and faith. If it's based on >> > > > > > > > consciousness and we are >> > > > > > > > talking in terms of the physical universe in which we live, >> > > > > > > > then by >> > > > > > > > definition purpose would be an invention of the human mind and >> > > > > > > > it would be a >> > > > > > > > matter of definition and how we view the world and view >> > > > > > > > ourselves in it but >> > > > > > > > it would be anything but a universal metaphysical thing on >> > > > > > > > which we all >> > > > > > > > could agree especially that it would look entirely different >> > > > > > > > in the eyes of >> > > > > > > > a more advanced species than our selves. >> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >
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