Medically I am no longr able to sail anymore, but I am evenore grateful that I took 5 years of my life and lived as a yacht bum. Great years worth every moment spent. I did not fancy boat a fully cabin sailing dory with a 300 kg lead or should I at linotype keel.
Take time to. Listen to the symphonic rigging sing her song for you. Enjoy every chance you van get.. lol alwaysvwas a dream to retire to تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> To: Minds-Eye <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:42 AM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Delusions I'm enjoying a Boddie's now; it's no Younger's 2, but it's got a nice creamy head. I can't find enough of the bitters here though; IPA's are the frat boy craft beer of choice. My good mates live on a 42' single mast now; the children are gone, and land held no attraction. I've still got another eight years or so before that becomes a possibility. On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 6:34 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Just right for a transportation sentence then. Used to sail. My balance > is crap now. Flying a desk just ain't it. When I was more actively > engaged, some of the best parts involved solitude. I miss that. > Loneliness is not the same thing. Bolton pubs have an air of desperation > now, so I don't bother. The ale is usually cack too. That old fuggy muggy > behind the sanctity of the pub door has faded to disinfectant and stale > food smells. And I used to smoke when drinking. Not the same without. > Plus 'young punk' violence is much worse now. > > I still get out to sea a couple of times a year on a mate's fishing > smack. His quota days have just increased from 4 to 5 days a month. > There's no living in it any more. Due out with him at the end of the month > and will probably resume normal beer service then. Theakston's Old > Peculiar and another black beer, Younger's No 2 are a treat when properly > creamy. You'd still be sucking the stuff in from that facial appendage the > following day. > > > On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 11:02:09 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >> >> My pony tail and beard are built for the sea, but I skipper a desk chair, >> more to my chagrin. >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:52 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Who are you calling an old pirate, Blackbeard? And what kind of >>> nancy-boy pubs where they let woman in other than to be barmaids 'ave ye >>> been drinkin' in? >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 10:28:39 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>>> >>>> Only to an old pirate. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:26 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Has anyone else noticed that a colon and a right parenthesis look like >>>>> a symbol for a cut-throat razor? :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, 11 February 2015 22:19:52 UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> No justifications, dear Gabs. Just a correction. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:58 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh yes, What, who, whose questions are being ommitted is quite >>>>>>> telling. There is a geometry in that too, of course. I explicitly said >>>>>>> no >>>>>>> blaming, and you come up with justifications?! For what? Yes, we were >>>>>>> close >>>>>>> to my wish come true, but then Facil appeared and it all started again. >>>>>>> There is nothing I can do about it from where I sit. ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015 schrieb Chris Jenkins : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh, how quickly time muddles the recollection...perhaps you should >>>>>>>> go back and review some of those posts before I left. It was for the >>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>> reason Craig did, and had nothing to do with the legacy nature of an >>>>>>>> email >>>>>>>> list. I was overloaded between job and family, and simply couldn't >>>>>>>> keep up >>>>>>>> with the volume of communication (a strike against your assertion I >>>>>>>> left >>>>>>>> because I knew it was an outdated format). There were hundreds of >>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>> some of them quite combative (*ahem*), and any action taken by mods to >>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>> the list adhering to its original intent was met with a hearty round of >>>>>>>> "fuck you matey". It was draining. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My goodbye: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/minds-ey >>>>>>>> e/by$20chris/minds-eye/ZQB5vLJ2rSI/0GbRK-9nz-AJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note that I put it to the group to decide, specifically because >>>>>>>> there was no other way to effectively determine any sort of self >>>>>>>> governance, and I didn't feel I had the right to make an arbitrary >>>>>>>> decision >>>>>>>> without input. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You promptly attacked every facet of my decision (and I expected no >>>>>>>> less). There was a long and robust conversation with a ton of familiar >>>>>>>> faces (most missing now). Your first vote was for a natural death. >>>>>>>> Have you >>>>>>>> gotten your wish? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:37 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Over a thousand members, 5 actually post? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This question coming from you? YOU! Oh come on, Chrissy baby! This >>>>>>>>> is an outdated format here that doesn't generate much traffic >>>>>>>>> anymore. You >>>>>>>>> know that, that`s your job to know that, that`s why you quit the mod >>>>>>>>> job >>>>>>>>> here! No one is blaming you for that but don´t play the innocent >>>>>>>>> here! You >>>>>>>>> introduced no transparent polling as to who should become your >>>>>>>>> successor, >>>>>>>>> but lay down your crown to the one who threw his hat in the ring, a >>>>>>>>> method >>>>>>>>> acceptable for the queen also. Nice try, dear. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015-02-11 17:34 GMT+01:00 Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yep, he passed the bar some time ago, which is a big part of why >>>>>>>>>> he no longer had time for these conversations. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> He's not alone in that, apparently. Over a thousand members, 5 >>>>>>>>>> actually post? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Such charm as ever Gabby. The term paedophile is not well taken >>>>>>>>>>> here and may really insult Allan and make him sad. Molly was gone, >>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>> sense of 'gone fishin'. Craig was becoming a lawyer. Hope he made >>>>>>>>>>> it. He >>>>>>>>>>> was a Mormon too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It would have been nice to hear updates on Bacon. There were >>>>>>>>>>> eleven Idols. I expect your superior model incorporates them, or >>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>> spits spleen. We can only be sure of never seeing it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We model defeasibly now and use a lot of geometry because a lot >>>>>>>>>>> of us think in shape. The idea is to make natural language usable >>>>>>>>>>> by the >>>>>>>>>>> machine. It has even more difficulty making sense of just what >>>>>>>>>>> humans say >>>>>>>>>>> than a pair of paranoid-schizoid positionists. We do consider >>>>>>>>>>> 'shapes' >>>>>>>>>>> like the molygon as underliers in our logic and they are >>>>>>>>>>> instructive. A >>>>>>>>>>> gabbygon is on the horizon - some no doubt thinking this is the best >>>>>>>>>>> place. The general theory is called 'bag of words' - we look for >>>>>>>>>>> shapes in >>>>>>>>>>> text to give context meaning and identify root metaphors. You >>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>> know how the SNERT stands out like a sore thumb? Maybe accusing >>>>>>>>>>> old men >>>>>>>>>>> and their dogs kind of thing? We are trying to find much more >>>>>>>>>>> routine >>>>>>>>>>> issues in word use to get at some of Tony has described as >>>>>>>>>>> dishonesty from >>>>>>>>>>> 'bag of words' samples taken from the 'marketplace' and other Idol >>>>>>>>>>> conversations. What the machine establishes from metadata - >>>>>>>>>>> considering we >>>>>>>>>>> often haven't - is fascinating because we are not sure what it i >>>>>>>>>>> doing at >>>>>>>>>>> all. We have it working on the self-justification of psychopaths >>>>>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>>>>> moment. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gravity obviously collapses on seeing a photograph of me. >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the memory. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 3:13:50 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This here is my real lesson. You have been bringing up and >>>>>>>>>>>> pushing this idol model so many times that I have forgotten what >>>>>>>>>>>> the one >>>>>>>>>>>> was that I found better. All that I remember is that it was either >>>>>>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>>>>>> in the alchemy or in the metaphysical poetry context. It was a >>>>>>>>>>>> perfect four >>>>>>>>>>>> is all that is left. It has been overwritten by your four idols. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-11 1:35 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Francis Bacon classified the intellectual fallacies of his >>>>>>>>>>>>> time under four headings which he called idols. He distinguished >>>>>>>>>>>>> them as >>>>>>>>>>>>> idols of the Tribe, idols of the e, idols of the Marketplace and >>>>>>>>>>>>> idols of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Theatre. An idol is an image, in this case held in the mind, >>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>> receives veneration but is without substance in itself. Bacon did >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> regard idols as symbols, but rather as fixations. They expand a >>>>>>>>>>>>> bit like >>>>>>>>>>>>> this: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Tribe >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The example of desiring to see more order in the universe than >>>>>>>>>>>>> is actually there is one of his examples of an idol of the tribe. >>>>>>>>>>>>> He thinks >>>>>>>>>>>>> that we all suffer from that one. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Cave >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> An example of an idol of the cave (one of Bacon's examples) is >>>>>>>>>>>>> that some minds are more drawn to new things and new ideas than >>>>>>>>>>>>> they are to >>>>>>>>>>>>> what has been around for a long time, while other minds are more >>>>>>>>>>>>> drawn to >>>>>>>>>>>>> "tradition" and "old school" ideas and ways than they are to >>>>>>>>>>>>> newness. Bacon >>>>>>>>>>>>> thinks we should become aware what our own tendency is so that we >>>>>>>>>>>>> can make >>>>>>>>>>>>> corrections for it. He hopes that by becoming aware of our own >>>>>>>>>>>>> mind's >>>>>>>>>>>>> tendencies toward loving novelty or tradition that we might be >>>>>>>>>>>>> able to >>>>>>>>>>>>> "correct" for them and then hopefully see things more clearly and >>>>>>>>>>>>> truly. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Marketplace >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We often use words very loosely in common discourse. Bacon >>>>>>>>>>>>> sees nothing wrong with that when we are just speaking ordinary >>>>>>>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>>>>>> with friends and family. But, when it comes to trying to describe >>>>>>>>>>>>> the world >>>>>>>>>>>>> accurately and precisely, we should be aware of our tendency to >>>>>>>>>>>>> use words >>>>>>>>>>>>> loosely and should try to correct for it. When we are trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>> speak >>>>>>>>>>>>> precisely we should probably not say things like "The mountain is >>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>> today" (anyone outside of the Puget Sound area wouldn't have a >>>>>>>>>>>>> clue what >>>>>>>>>>>>> this means); or "The sun went under a cloud" (the sun did not go >>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere, >>>>>>>>>>>>> let along underneath something); or "The sun came up this >>>>>>>>>>>>> morning" (the >>>>>>>>>>>>> earth actually just rotated). None of those sentences is >>>>>>>>>>>>> precisely true, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and if we use language imprecisely like this it can sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>>> accidentally >>>>>>>>>>>>> lead to huge misapprehensions about the world. Bacon thinks this >>>>>>>>>>>>> misuse of >>>>>>>>>>>>> words and language causes far more problems than we realize. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Theatre >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can think of someone you know who has recently bought >>>>>>>>>>>>> into a whole new religion or philosophy or psychology, you can >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably see >>>>>>>>>>>>> how they have suddenly come to interpret everything in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> universe >>>>>>>>>>>>> according to their new world view. That world view has become the >>>>>>>>>>>>> new lens >>>>>>>>>>>>> through which they perceive and interpret everything in their >>>>>>>>>>>>> world. What >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bacon says, though, is that we all do this. We all interpret the >>>>>>>>>>>>> world >>>>>>>>>>>>> through the lens of our own little world view. It's just easier >>>>>>>>>>>>> to see >>>>>>>>>>>>> other people doing it than it is to see ourselves doing it. Bacon >>>>>>>>>>>>> thinks we >>>>>>>>>>>>> should become aware of how these world views shape and distort >>>>>>>>>>>>> our own >>>>>>>>>>>>> perceptions of the world so that we might be able to correct for >>>>>>>>>>>>> it a bit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is old work. My questions are about how we recognise the >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'second head' as a delusion yet move hardly at all on obvious >>>>>>>>>>>>> political >>>>>>>>>>>>> delusions like economics, votes counting, social care, public >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the making invisible of many social issues. For me, deep >>>>>>>>>>>>> questions on self >>>>>>>>>>>>> are involved. The internet self is unlikely to be, as Tony says, >>>>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>>>> as the 'real'one - but then we have know for much longer than the >>>>>>>>>>>>> internet >>>>>>>>>>>>> people don't say the same things in different contexts. In fact >>>>>>>>>>>>> the man or >>>>>>>>>>>>> woman in the bar often looks totally different the morning after, >>>>>>>>>>>>> let alone >>>>>>>>>>>>> what the politician says in a speech compared with when she is >>>>>>>>>>>>> with her >>>>>>>>>>>>> backroom boys in the spin room. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:17:04 PM UTC, archytas >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least with my knowledge of delusions I can imagine certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people growing a second head overnight and shooting the wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spare. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:11:09 PM UTC, archytas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That seems to run to form Gabby. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:06:43 PM UTC, Gabby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facil picked up your question and gave his answer, I agreed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then came Allan barking at Facil and I told Allan to watch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his tongue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or leave to his own thread. Only then did you enter the group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> timeline to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start your big daddy has come home show. Now tell me what my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceitful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent was ... Or better, tell me tomorrow, I'm off for today. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 10. Februar 2015 schrieb archytas : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only people I meet like that tend to be online >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students Tony. We use Skype video conferencing for a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessions, so have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually seen each other. I'm quieter than people imagine, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though none >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have yet said 'uglier'. I'm very prone to catch whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bugs go around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> university environments too, so rather like electronic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance. With >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colleagues, the situation is we know a lot more about each >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in online encounters. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My version has 'confusion' written through it. I say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something, Gabby takes it another way, or knows what I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended and chooses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another slant for whatever reason. Online, I assume she has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a sense of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> humour and a good turn with words. Deception is not part of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first place. Just guesses with less risk than so called >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suppose the classic online deceiver is the groomer - where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the intent is to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up and image and then meet the victim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 7:54:18 PM UTC, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facilitator wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 2:11:33 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The delusion that we are what we project is interesting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We claim to be what we project". Your version allows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for reality mine allows for dishonesty. I think most people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a filtered image of themselves enough so that if we ever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet people who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we've only conversed with online we become slightly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> astonished how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different they appear and act in "real life". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/2_ICOWzarWY/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubscribe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a >>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/2_ICOWzarWY/unsu >>>>>>>>>>>>> bscribe. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an >>>>>>>>>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic >>>>>>>>>> in the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/2_ICOWzarWY/unsu >>>>>>>>>> bscribe. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email >>>>>>>>>> to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>>>> the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ >>>>>>>> topic/minds-eye/2_ICOWzarWY/unsubscribe. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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