Proof that the detail devil exists! 2015-02-12 15:53 GMT+01:00 Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>:
> Ah, I meant Weyerbacher's Merry Monks > > http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/392/6073/ > > We say nearly the same words, and still speak a different language. > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 7:29 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Merrie Monk is still brewed by Marstons. Technically a mild, 4.5 abv but >> seems to hit harder. Craft beers from micro breweries don't appeal to me >> much - we have one round the corner (Banks) with about 7 different beers >> that all taste the same. Mostly badge engineering over here, by Interbrew >> - even they are now ab-inbev co the world's largest brewer. Boddies is now >> part of that chain. I swear they have even screwed Stella Artois and have >> been advertising it as 'reassuringly expensive'. >> They make Bud too. Back in the day, I met the CEO of Stella Artois - he >> was tea total. Kind enough to stock my hotel fridge with product though. >> >> I'm waiting for the time African beer gets marketed here with small print >> 'warning: contains crocodile bile and battery acid' under the Mumbojawless >> brand. Beer, apart from a few small brewers, tends to taste better and >> cleaner abroad. Nordic friends now get ratted on Lithuanian hooch before >> meeting at Ziggy's to sip expensive beer before piling back to the barbecue >> at Sven and Olga's to finish off on Estonian imports. >> >> I see our new information manager is settling in nicely, already in a >> room of her own talking to the walls. The gibberish she has to come up >> with is difficult to learn but she has language skills to refine it to >> total misinformation with that paranoid edge that keeps people on their >> toes lest they slack into actual conversation. I doubt we could have >> appointed a better one trick pony. One visit to her room by the >> information commissioners and we will never see them again. >> >> Molly has done nearly all the work. The plan, of course, was always to >> lure Gabby to this room and let her exhaust her poisons until no one else >> is left, with the last one out pulling the door tightly shut. >> >> >> On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 12:42:29 AM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >> >>> Oh man, Merry Monk is one of my favorites. I'm a sucker for >>> Tripels...more so for Quadrupels. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 7:40 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Boddingtons' was the favourite bitter back in cop/army days. It was >>> weak abv, amber, creamy and nectar. Since then big brewers took over, >>> closed the old brewery and ruined the flavour.darkened the colour and the >>> flavour went malty. Brings a tear to my eye to drink the much now. Holt's >>> bitter was the classic though. Smelled like an old kangaroo's jock-strap >>> or something Gabby throws in her cauldron. You had to get the first pint >>> down holding your breath, By about the fourth, it was all cream nectar and >>> you just had to make it eight. It was all live beer in 36 gallon barrels >>> back then, manipulated into cellars by gangs of muscular dwarfs, watched >>> over for days by a loving but grisly landlord who sank the first edible >>> pint himself just to let us know who was in charge. Then came pasteurised >>> beer and lager - and shameful sights like me and Railway Frank >>> arm-wrestling for the last pint of Merry Monk. I won, but had to let him >>> have the beer to make up for that. >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 11:42:45 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>> >>> I'm enjoying a Boddie's now; it's no Younger's 2, but it's got a nice >>> creamy head. I can't find enough of the bitters here though; IPA's are the >>> frat boy craft beer of choice. >>> >>> My good mates live on a 42' single mast now; the children are gone, and >>> land held no attraction. I've still got another eight years or so before >>> that becomes a possibility. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 6:34 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Just right for a transportation sentence then. Used to sail. My >>> balance is crap now. Flying a desk just ain't it. When I was more >>> actively engaged, some of the best parts involved solitude. I miss that. >>> Loneliness is not the same thing. Bolton pubs have an air of desperation >>> now, so I don't bother. The ale is usually cack too. That old fuggy muggy >>> behind the sanctity of the pub door has faded to disinfectant and stale >>> food smells. And I used to smoke when drinking. Not the same without. >>> Plus 'young punk' violence is much worse now. >>> >>> I still get out to sea a couple of times a year on a mate's fishing >>> smack. His quota days have just increased from 4 to 5 days a month. >>> There's no living in it any more. Due out with him at the end of the month >>> and will probably resume normal beer service then. Theakston's Old >>> Peculiar and another black beer, Younger's No 2 are a treat when properly >>> creamy. You'd still be sucking the stuff in from that facial appendage the >>> following day. >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 11:02:09 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>> >>> My pony tail and beard are built for the sea, but I skipper a desk >>> chair, more to my chagrin. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:52 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Who are you calling an old pirate, Blackbeard? And what kind of >>> nancy-boy pubs where they let woman in other than to be barmaids 'ave ye >>> been drinkin' in? >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 10:28:39 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>> >>> Only to an old pirate. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:26 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone else noticed that a colon and a right parenthesis look like a >>> symbol for a cut-throat razor? :) >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, 11 February 2015 22:19:52 UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>> >>> No justifications, dear Gabs. Just a correction. :) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:58 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Oh yes, What, who, whose questions are being ommitted is quite telling. >>> There is a geometry in that too, of course. I explicitly said no blaming, >>> and you come up with justifications?! For what? Yes, we were close to my >>> wish come true, but then Facil appeared and it all started again. There is >>> nothing I can do about it from where I sit. ;) >>> >>> Am Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015 schrieb Chris Jenkins : >>> >>> Oh, how quickly time muddles the recollection...perhaps you should go >>> back and review some of those posts before I left. It was for the same >>> reason Craig did, and had nothing to do with the legacy nature of an email >>> list. I was overloaded between job and family, and simply couldn't keep up >>> with the volume of communication (a strike against your assertion I left >>> because I knew it was an outdated format). There were hundreds of posts, >>> some of them quite combative (*ahem*), and any action taken by mods to keep >>> the list adhering to its original intent was met with a hearty round of >>> "fuck you matey". It was draining. >>> >>> My goodbye: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/minds-ey >>> e/by$20chris/minds-eye/ZQB5vLJ2rSI/0GbRK-9nz-AJ >>> >>> Note that I put it to the group to decide, specifically because there >>> was no other way to effectively determine any sort of self governance, and >>> I didn't feel I had the right to make an arbitrary decision without input. >>> >>> You promptly attacked every facet of my decision (and I expected no >>> less). There was a long and robust conversation with a ton of familiar >>> faces (most missing now). Your first vote was for a natural death. Have you >>> gotten your wish? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:37 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Over a thousand members, 5 actually post? >>> >>> >>> This question coming from you? YOU! Oh come on, Chrissy baby! This is an >>> outdated format here that doesn't generate much traffic anymore. You know >>> that, that`s your job to know that, that`s why you quit the mod job here! >>> No one is blaming you for that but don´t play the innocent here! You >>> introduced no transparent polling as to who should become your successor, >>> but lay down your crown to the one who threw his hat in the ring, a method >>> acceptable for the queen also. Nice try, dear. >>> >>> 2015-02-11 17:34 GMT+01:00 Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>: >>> >>> Yep, he passed the bar some time ago, which is a big part of why he no >>> longer had time for these conversations. >>> >>> He's not alone in that, apparently. Over a thousand members, 5 actually >>> post? >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Such charm as ever Gabby. The term paedophile is not well taken here >>> and may really insult Allan and make him sad. Molly was gone, in the sense >>> of 'gone fishin'. Craig was becoming a lawyer. Hope he made it. He was a >>> Mormon too. >>> >>> It would have been nice to hear updates on Bacon. There were eleven >>> Idols. I expect your superior model incorporates them, or perhaps spits >>> spleen. We can only be sure of never seeing it. >>> >>> We model defeasibly now and use a lot of geometry because a lot of us >>> think in shape. The idea is to make natural language usable by the >>> machine. It has even more difficulty making sense of just what humans say >>> than a pair of paranoid-schizoid positionists. We do consider 'shapes' >>> like the molygon as underliers in our logic and they are instructive. A >>> gabbygon is on the horizon - some no doubt thinking this is the best >>> place. The general theory is called 'bag of words' - we look for shapes in >>> text to give context meaning and identify root metaphors. You probably >>> know how the SNERT stands out like a sore thumb? Maybe accusing old men >>> and their dogs kind of thing? We are trying to find much more routine >>> issues in word use to get at some of Tony has described as dishonesty from >>> 'bag of words' samples taken from the 'marketplace' and other Idol >>> conversations. What the machine establishes from metadata - considering we >>> often haven't - is fascinating because we are not sure what it i doing at >>> all. We have it working on the self-justification of psychopaths at the >>> moment. >>> >>> Gravity obviously collapses on seeing a photograph of me. Thanks for >>> the memory. >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 3:13:50 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>> >>> This here is my real lesson. You have been bringing up and pushing this >>> idol model so many times that I have forgotten what the one was that I >>> found better. All that I remember is that it was either located in the >>> alchemy or in the metaphysical poetry context. It was a perfect four is all >>> that is left. It has been overwritten by your four idols. >>> >>> 2015-02-11 1:35 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >>> >>> Francis Bacon classified the intellectual fallacies of his time under >>> four headings which he called idols. He distinguished them as idols of the >>> Tribe, idols of the e, idols of the Marketplace and idols of the Theatre. >>> An idol is an image, in this case held in the mind, which receives >>> veneration but is without substance in itself. Bacon did not regard idols >>> as symbols, but rather as fixations. They expand a bit like this: >>> >>> 1. Tribe >>> >>> The example of desiring to see more order in the universe than is >>> actually there is one of his examples of an idol of the tribe. He thinks >>> that we all suffer from that one. >>> >>> 2. Cave >>> >>> An example of an idol of the cave (one of Bacon's examples) is that some >>> minds are more drawn to new things and new ideas than they are to what has >>> been around for a long time, while other minds are more drawn to >>> "tradition" and "old school" ideas and ways than they are to newness. Bacon >>> thinks we should become aware what our own tendency is so that we can make >>> corrections for it. He hopes that by becoming aware of our own mind's >>> tendencies toward loving novelty or tradition that we might be able to >>> "correct" for them and then hopefully see things more clearly and truly. >>> >>> 3. Marketplace >>> >>> We often use words very loosely in common discourse. Bacon sees nothing >>> wrong with that when we are just speaking ordinary language with friends >>> and family. But, when it comes to trying to describe the world accurately >>> and precisely, we should be aware of our tendency to use words loosely and >>> should try to correct for it. When we are trying to speak precisely we >>> should probably not say things like "The mountain is out today" (anyone >>> outside of the Puget Sound area wouldn't have a clue what this means); or >>> "The sun went under a cloud" (the sun did not go anywhere, let along >>> underneath something); or "The sun came up this morning" (the earth >>> actually just rotated). None of those sentences is precisely true, and if >>> we use language imprecisely like this it can sometimes accidentally lead to >>> huge misapprehensions about the world. Bacon thinks this misuse of words >>> and language causes far more problems than we realize. >>> >>> 4. Theatre >>> >>> If you can think of someone you know who has recently bought into a >>> whole new religion or philosophy or psychology, you can probably see how >>> they have suddenly come to interpret everything in the universe according >>> to their new world view. That world view has become the new lens through >>> which they perceive and interpret everything in their world. What Bacon >>> says, though, is that we all do this. We all interpret the world through >>> the lens of our own little world view. It's just easier to see other people >>> doing it than it is to see ourselves doing it. Bacon thinks we should >>> become aware of how these world views shape and distort our own perceptions >>> of the world so that we might be able to correct for it a bit. >>> >>> This is old work. My questions are about how we recognise the 'second >>> head' as a delusion yet move hardly at all on obvious political delusions >>> like economics, votes counting, social care, public ignorance and the >>> making invisible of many social issues. For me, deep questions on self are >>> involved. The internet self is unlikely to be, as Tony says, the same as >>> the 'real'one - but then we have know for much longer than the internet >>> people don't say the same things in different contexts. In fact the man or >>> woman in the bar often looks totally different the morning after, let alone >>> what the politician says in a speech compared with when she is with her >>> backroom boys in the spin room. >>> >>> . >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:17:04 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>> >>> At least with my knowledge of delusions I can imagine certain people >>> growing a second head overnight and shooting the wrong spare. >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:11:09 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>> >>> That seems to run to form Gabby. >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:06:43 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>> >>> Facil picked up your question and gave his answer, I agreed and then >>> came Allan barking at Facil and I told Allan to watch his tongue or leave >>> to his own thread. Only then did you enter the group timeline to start your >>> big daddy has come home show. Now tell me what my deceitful intent was ... >>> Or better, tell me tomorrow, I'm off for today. >>> >>> Am Dienstag, 10. Februar 2015 schrieb archytas : >>> >>> The only people I meet like that tend to be online students Tony. We >>> use Skype video conferencing for a few sessions, so have actually seen each >>> other. I'm quieter than people imagine, though none have yet said >>> 'uglier'. I'm very prone to catch whatever bugs go around university >>> environments too, so rather like electronic distance. With colleagues, the >>> situation is we know a lot more about each other than most in online >>> encounters. >>> >>> My version has 'confusion' written through it. I say something, Gabby >>> takes it another way, or knows what I intended and chooses another slant >>> for whatever reason. Online, I assume she has a sense of humour and a good >>> turn with words. Deception is not part of this in the first place. Just >>> guesses with less risk than so called reality. I suppose the classic >>> online deceiver is the groomer - where the intent is to set up and image >>> and then meet the victim. >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 7:54:18 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 2:11:33 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>> >>> The delusion that we are what we project is interesting Tony. >>> >>> >>> "We claim to be what we project". Your version allows for reality mine >>> allows for dishonesty. 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