Have one on me, Gabs. Yeah, someone being the moderator of a group of 5 doesn't wield much influence. No surprise it's not really taken seriously anymore, although if you're talking historically, I was gone for most of that (and will be gone for most of future history).
I've missed all of Arch's historical empowerment moments though...mostly it sounds like what we call "abuelo chochando"...Grampa is telling stories in the kitchen after a meal, nodding off over a drink, but never spilling a drop. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:55 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Let's see if we can resist Facil's wicked formatting trial and continue > this thread, boys! > > We have it that Neil, the only serious content producer here, does not > take Molly power serious. He can be sure of the boys' support when in need > of powerful historical empowerment moments. Great! And explains why he does > not change it to his personal writing blog. He has not forgotten the power > of tradition! As for the dubious and two-faced communication style here, > when Molly has a history of personal data mining here the purpose of Neil's > writing spin becomes all too obvious too. > > Sad, sad story! Boys, pass me another drink, please... > > Am Donnerstag, 12. Februar 2015 schrieb : > > Always was a dream to retire to sailing.. Now I am retired. I can no >> longer sail glad I did it earlier.. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >> To: Minds-Eye <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:42 AM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Delusions >> >> I'm enjoying a Boddie's now; it's no Younger's 2, but it's got a nice >> creamy head. I can't find enough of the bitters here though; IPA's are the >> frat boy craft beer of choice. >> >> My good mates live on a 42' single mast now; the children are gone, and >> land held no attraction. I've still got another eight years or so before >> that becomes a possibility. >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 6:34 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Just right for a transportation sentence then. Used to sail. My >>> balance is crap now. Flying a desk just ain't it. When I was more >>> actively engaged, some of the best parts involved solitude. I miss that. >>> Loneliness is not the same thing. Bolton pubs have an air of desperation >>> now, so I don't bother. The ale is usually cack too. That old fuggy muggy >>> behind the sanctity of the pub door has faded to disinfectant and stale >>> food smells. And I used to smoke when drinking. Not the same without. >>> Plus 'young punk' violence is much worse now. >>> >>> I still get out to sea a couple of times a year on a mate's fishing >>> smack. His quota days have just increased from 4 to 5 days a month. >>> There's no living in it any more. Due out with him at the end of the month >>> and will probably resume normal beer service then. Theakston's Old >>> Peculiar and another black beer, Younger's No 2 are a treat when properly >>> creamy. You'd still be sucking the stuff in from that facial appendage the >>> following day. >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 11:02:09 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>>> >>>> My pony tail and beard are built for the sea, but I skipper a desk >>>> chair, more to my chagrin. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:52 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Who are you calling an old pirate, Blackbeard? And what kind of >>>>> nancy-boy pubs where they let woman in other than to be barmaids 'ave ye >>>>> been drinkin' in? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 10:28:39 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Only to an old pirate. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:26 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anyone else noticed that a colon and a right parenthesis look >>>>>>> like a symbol for a cut-throat razor? :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 11 February 2015 22:19:52 UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No justifications, dear Gabs. Just a correction. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:58 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh yes, What, who, whose questions are being ommitted is quite >>>>>>>>> telling. There is a geometry in that too, of course. I explicitly >>>>>>>>> said no >>>>>>>>> blaming, and you come up with justifications?! For what? Yes, we were >>>>>>>>> close >>>>>>>>> to my wish come true, but then Facil appeared and it all started >>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>> There is nothing I can do about it from where I sit. ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015 schrieb Chris Jenkins : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, how quickly time muddles the recollection...perhaps you >>>>>>>>>> should go back and review some of those posts before I left. It was >>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>> same reason Craig did, and had nothing to do with the legacy nature >>>>>>>>>> of an >>>>>>>>>> email list. I was overloaded between job and family, and simply >>>>>>>>>> couldn't >>>>>>>>>> keep up with the volume of communication (a strike against your >>>>>>>>>> assertion I >>>>>>>>>> left because I knew it was an outdated format). There were hundreds >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> posts, some of them quite combative (*ahem*), and any action taken >>>>>>>>>> by mods >>>>>>>>>> to keep the list adhering to its original intent was met with a >>>>>>>>>> hearty >>>>>>>>>> round of "fuck you matey". It was draining. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My goodbye: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/minds-ey >>>>>>>>>> e/by$20chris/minds-eye/ZQB5vLJ2rSI/0GbRK-9nz-AJ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Note that I put it to the group to decide, specifically because >>>>>>>>>> there was no other way to effectively determine any sort of self >>>>>>>>>> governance, and I didn't feel I had the right to make an arbitrary >>>>>>>>>> decision >>>>>>>>>> without input. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You promptly attacked every facet of my decision (and I expected >>>>>>>>>> no less). There was a long and robust conversation with a ton of >>>>>>>>>> familiar >>>>>>>>>> faces (most missing now). Your first vote was for a natural death. >>>>>>>>>> Have you >>>>>>>>>> gotten your wish? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:37 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Over a thousand members, 5 actually post? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This question coming from you? YOU! Oh come on, Chrissy baby! >>>>>>>>>>> This is an outdated format here that doesn't generate much traffic >>>>>>>>>>> anymore. >>>>>>>>>>> You know that, that`s your job to know that, that`s why you quit >>>>>>>>>>> the mod >>>>>>>>>>> job here! No one is blaming you for that but don´t play the >>>>>>>>>>> innocent here! >>>>>>>>>>> You introduced no transparent polling as to who should become your >>>>>>>>>>> successor, but lay down your crown to the one who threw his hat in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> ring, a method acceptable for the queen also. Nice try, dear. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-11 17:34 GMT+01:00 Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, he passed the bar some time ago, which is a big part of >>>>>>>>>>>> why he no longer had time for these conversations. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> He's not alone in that, apparently. Over a thousand members, 5 >>>>>>>>>>>> actually post? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Such charm as ever Gabby. The term paedophile is not well >>>>>>>>>>>>> taken here and may really insult Allan and make him sad. Molly >>>>>>>>>>>>> was gone, >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the sense of 'gone fishin'. Craig was becoming a lawyer. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope he made >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. He was a Mormon too. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It would have been nice to hear updates on Bacon. There were >>>>>>>>>>>>> eleven Idols. I expect your superior model incorporates them, or >>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>> spits spleen. We can only be sure of never seeing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We model defeasibly now and use a lot of geometry because a >>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of us think in shape. The idea is to make natural language >>>>>>>>>>>>> usable by >>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine. It has even more difficulty making sense of just >>>>>>>>>>>>> what humans >>>>>>>>>>>>> say than a pair of paranoid-schizoid positionists. We do >>>>>>>>>>>>> consider 'shapes' >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the molygon as underliers in our logic and they are >>>>>>>>>>>>> instructive. A >>>>>>>>>>>>> gabbygon is on the horizon - some no doubt thinking this is the >>>>>>>>>>>>> best >>>>>>>>>>>>> place. The general theory is called 'bag of words' - we look for >>>>>>>>>>>>> shapes in >>>>>>>>>>>>> text to give context meaning and identify root metaphors. You >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>>>> know how the SNERT stands out like a sore thumb? Maybe accusing >>>>>>>>>>>>> old men >>>>>>>>>>>>> and their dogs kind of thing? We are trying to find much more >>>>>>>>>>>>> routine >>>>>>>>>>>>> issues in word use to get at some of Tony has described as >>>>>>>>>>>>> dishonesty from >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'bag of words' samples taken from the 'marketplace' and other Idol >>>>>>>>>>>>> conversations. What the machine establishes from metadata - >>>>>>>>>>>>> considering we >>>>>>>>>>>>> often haven't - is fascinating because we are not sure what it i >>>>>>>>>>>>> doing at >>>>>>>>>>>>> all. We have it working on the self-justification of psychopaths >>>>>>>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>>>>>>> moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gravity obviously collapses on seeing a photograph of me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the memory. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 3:13:50 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This here is my real lesson. You have been bringing up and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pushing this idol model so many times that I have forgotten what >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was that I found better. All that I remember is that it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> either located >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the alchemy or in the metaphysical poetry context. It was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect four >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all that is left. It has been overwritten by your four idols. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-11 1:35 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Francis Bacon classified the intellectual fallacies of his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time under four headings which he called idols. He >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinguished them as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idols of the Tribe, idols of the e, idols of the Marketplace >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and idols of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Theatre. An idol is an image, in this case held in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receives veneration but is without substance in itself. Bacon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regard idols as symbols, but rather as fixations. They expand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bit like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Tribe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The example of desiring to see more order in the universe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than is actually there is one of his examples of an idol of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tribe. He >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinks that we all suffer from that one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Cave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An example of an idol of the cave (one of Bacon's examples) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that some minds are more drawn to new things and new ideas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than they are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to what has been around for a long time, while other minds are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more drawn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to "tradition" and "old school" ideas and ways than they are to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newness. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bacon thinks we should become aware what our own tendency is so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make corrections for it. He hopes that by becoming aware of our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own mind's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tendencies toward loving novelty or tradition that we might be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "correct" for them and then hopefully see things more clearly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and truly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Marketplace >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We often use words very loosely in common discourse. Bacon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sees nothing wrong with that when we are just speaking ordinary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with friends and family. But, when it comes to trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> describe the world >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurately and precisely, we should be aware of our tendency to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use words >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loosely and should try to correct for it. When we are trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precisely we should probably not say things like "The mountain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today" (anyone outside of the Puget Sound area wouldn't have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clue what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this means); or "The sun went under a cloud" (the sun did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go anywhere, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let along underneath something); or "The sun came up this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning" (the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth actually just rotated). None of those sentences is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precisely true, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if we use language imprecisely like this it can sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accidentally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lead to huge misapprehensions about the world. Bacon thinks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this misuse of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words and language causes far more problems than we realize. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Theatre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can think of someone you know who has recently bought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a whole new religion or philosophy or psychology, you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how they have suddenly come to interpret everything in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to their new world view. That world view has become >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new lens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through which they perceive and interpret everything in their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world. What >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bacon says, though, is that we all do this. We all interpret >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the world >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the lens of our own little world view. It's just easier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people doing it than it is to see ourselves doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bacon thinks we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should become aware of how these world views shape and distort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perceptions of the world so that we might be able to correct >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for it a bit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is old work. My questions are about how we recognise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 'second head' as a delusion yet move hardly at all on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obvious political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delusions like economics, votes counting, social care, public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the making invisible of many social issues. For me, deep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions on self >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are involved. The internet self is unlikely to be, as Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says, the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the 'real'one - but then we have know for much longer than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people don't say the same things in different contexts. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact the man or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> woman in the bar often looks totally different the morning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after, let alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what the politician says in a speech compared with when she is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with her >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backroom boys in the spin room. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:17:04 PM UTC, archytas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least with my knowledge of delusions I can imagine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain people growing a second head overnight and shooting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spare. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:11:09 PM UTC, archytas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That seems to run to form Gabby. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:06:43 PM UTC, Gabby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facil picked up your question and gave his answer, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agreed and then came Allan barking at Facil and I told Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to watch his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tongue or leave to his own thread. Only then did you enter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> timeline to start your big daddy has come home show. Now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell me what my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceitful intent was ... Or better, tell me tomorrow, I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off for today. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 10. Februar 2015 schrieb archytas : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only people I meet like that tend to be online >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students Tony. We use Skype video conferencing for a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessions, so have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually seen each other. I'm quieter than people imagine, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though none >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have yet said 'uglier'. I'm very prone to catch whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bugs go around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> university environments too, so rather like electronic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance. With >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colleagues, the situation is we know a lot more about each >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in online encounters. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My version has 'confusion' written through it. I say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something, Gabby takes it another way, or knows what I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended and chooses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another slant for whatever reason. Online, I assume she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a sense of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> humour and a good turn with words. Deception is not part >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of this in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first place. Just guesses with less risk than so called >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suppose the classic online deceiver is the groomer - where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the intent is to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up and image and then meet the victim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 7:54:18 PM UTC, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facilitator wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 2:11:33 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The delusion that we are what we project is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting Tony. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We claim to be what we project". Your version allows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for reality mine allows for dishonesty. 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