Ah, I meant Weyerbacher's Merry Monks http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/392/6073/
We say nearly the same words, and still speak a different language. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 7:29 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Merrie Monk is still brewed by Marstons. Technically a mild, 4.5 abv but > seems to hit harder. Craft beers from micro breweries don't appeal to me > much - we have one round the corner (Banks) with about 7 different beers > that all taste the same. Mostly badge engineering over here, by Interbrew > - even they are now ab-inbev co the world's largest brewer. Boddies is now > part of that chain. I swear they have even screwed Stella Artois and have > been advertising it as 'reassuringly expensive'. > They make Bud too. Back in the day, I met the CEO of Stella Artois - he > was tea total. Kind enough to stock my hotel fridge with product though. > > I'm waiting for the time African beer gets marketed here with small print > 'warning: contains crocodile bile and battery acid' under the Mumbojawless > brand. Beer, apart from a few small brewers, tends to taste better and > cleaner abroad. Nordic friends now get ratted on Lithuanian hooch before > meeting at Ziggy's to sip expensive beer before piling back to the barbecue > at Sven and Olga's to finish off on Estonian imports. > > I see our new information manager is settling in nicely, already in a room > of her own talking to the walls. The gibberish she has to come up with is > difficult to learn but she has language skills to refine it to total > misinformation with that paranoid edge that keeps people on their toes lest > they slack into actual conversation. I doubt we could have appointed a > better one trick pony. One visit to her room by the information > commissioners and we will never see them again. > > Molly has done nearly all the work. The plan, of course, was always to > lure Gabby to this room and let her exhaust her poisons until no one else > is left, with the last one out pulling the door tightly shut. > > > On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 12:42:29 AM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: > >> Oh man, Merry Monk is one of my favorites. I'm a sucker for >> Tripels...more so for Quadrupels. >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 7:40 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Boddingtons' was the favourite bitter back in cop/army days. It was weak >> abv, amber, creamy and nectar. Since then big brewers took over, closed >> the old brewery and ruined the flavour.darkened the colour and the flavour >> went malty. Brings a tear to my eye to drink the much now. Holt's bitter >> was the classic though. Smelled like an old kangaroo's jock-strap or >> something Gabby throws in her cauldron. You had to get the first pint down >> holding your breath, By about the fourth, it was all cream nectar and you >> just had to make it eight. It was all live beer in 36 gallon barrels back >> then, manipulated into cellars by gangs of muscular dwarfs, watched over >> for days by a loving but grisly landlord who sank the first edible pint >> himself just to let us know who was in charge. Then came pasteurised beer >> and lager - and shameful sights like me and Railway Frank arm-wrestling for >> the last pint of Merry Monk. I won, but had to let him have the beer to >> make up for that. >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 11:42:45 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >> >> I'm enjoying a Boddie's now; it's no Younger's 2, but it's got a nice >> creamy head. I can't find enough of the bitters here though; IPA's are the >> frat boy craft beer of choice. >> >> My good mates live on a 42' single mast now; the children are gone, and >> land held no attraction. I've still got another eight years or so before >> that becomes a possibility. >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 6:34 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Just right for a transportation sentence then. Used to sail. My balance >> is crap now. Flying a desk just ain't it. When I was more actively >> engaged, some of the best parts involved solitude. I miss that. >> Loneliness is not the same thing. Bolton pubs have an air of desperation >> now, so I don't bother. The ale is usually cack too. That old fuggy muggy >> behind the sanctity of the pub door has faded to disinfectant and stale >> food smells. And I used to smoke when drinking. Not the same without. >> Plus 'young punk' violence is much worse now. >> >> I still get out to sea a couple of times a year on a mate's fishing >> smack. His quota days have just increased from 4 to 5 days a month. >> There's no living in it any more. Due out with him at the end of the month >> and will probably resume normal beer service then. Theakston's Old >> Peculiar and another black beer, Younger's No 2 are a treat when properly >> creamy. You'd still be sucking the stuff in from that facial appendage the >> following day. >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 11:02:09 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >> >> My pony tail and beard are built for the sea, but I skipper a desk chair, >> more to my chagrin. >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:52 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Who are you calling an old pirate, Blackbeard? And what kind of >> nancy-boy pubs where they let woman in other than to be barmaids 'ave ye >> been drinkin' in? >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 10:28:39 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >> >> Only to an old pirate. >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:26 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Has anyone else noticed that a colon and a right parenthesis look like a >> symbol for a cut-throat razor? :) >> >> >> On Wednesday, 11 February 2015 22:19:52 UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >> >> No justifications, dear Gabs. Just a correction. :) >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:58 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Oh yes, What, who, whose questions are being ommitted is quite telling. >> There is a geometry in that too, of course. I explicitly said no blaming, >> and you come up with justifications?! For what? Yes, we were close to my >> wish come true, but then Facil appeared and it all started again. There is >> nothing I can do about it from where I sit. ;) >> >> Am Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015 schrieb Chris Jenkins : >> >> Oh, how quickly time muddles the recollection...perhaps you should go >> back and review some of those posts before I left. It was for the same >> reason Craig did, and had nothing to do with the legacy nature of an email >> list. I was overloaded between job and family, and simply couldn't keep up >> with the volume of communication (a strike against your assertion I left >> because I knew it was an outdated format). There were hundreds of posts, >> some of them quite combative (*ahem*), and any action taken by mods to keep >> the list adhering to its original intent was met with a hearty round of >> "fuck you matey". It was draining. >> >> My goodbye: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/minds-ey >> e/by$20chris/minds-eye/ZQB5vLJ2rSI/0GbRK-9nz-AJ >> >> Note that I put it to the group to decide, specifically because there was >> no other way to effectively determine any sort of self governance, and I >> didn't feel I had the right to make an arbitrary decision without input. >> >> You promptly attacked every facet of my decision (and I expected no >> less). There was a long and robust conversation with a ton of familiar >> faces (most missing now). Your first vote was for a natural death. Have you >> gotten your wish? >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:37 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Over a thousand members, 5 actually post? >> >> >> This question coming from you? YOU! Oh come on, Chrissy baby! This is an >> outdated format here that doesn't generate much traffic anymore. You know >> that, that`s your job to know that, that`s why you quit the mod job here! >> No one is blaming you for that but don´t play the innocent here! You >> introduced no transparent polling as to who should become your successor, >> but lay down your crown to the one who threw his hat in the ring, a method >> acceptable for the queen also. Nice try, dear. >> >> 2015-02-11 17:34 GMT+01:00 Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>: >> >> Yep, he passed the bar some time ago, which is a big part of why he no >> longer had time for these conversations. >> >> He's not alone in that, apparently. Over a thousand members, 5 actually >> post? >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Such charm as ever Gabby. The term paedophile is not well taken here and >> may really insult Allan and make him sad. Molly was gone, in the sense of >> 'gone fishin'. Craig was becoming a lawyer. Hope he made it. He was a >> Mormon too. >> >> It would have been nice to hear updates on Bacon. There were eleven >> Idols. I expect your superior model incorporates them, or perhaps spits >> spleen. We can only be sure of never seeing it. >> >> We model defeasibly now and use a lot of geometry because a lot of us >> think in shape. The idea is to make natural language usable by the >> machine. It has even more difficulty making sense of just what humans say >> than a pair of paranoid-schizoid positionists. We do consider 'shapes' >> like the molygon as underliers in our logic and they are instructive. A >> gabbygon is on the horizon - some no doubt thinking this is the best >> place. The general theory is called 'bag of words' - we look for shapes in >> text to give context meaning and identify root metaphors. You probably >> know how the SNERT stands out like a sore thumb? Maybe accusing old men >> and their dogs kind of thing? We are trying to find much more routine >> issues in word use to get at some of Tony has described as dishonesty from >> 'bag of words' samples taken from the 'marketplace' and other Idol >> conversations. What the machine establishes from metadata - considering we >> often haven't - is fascinating because we are not sure what it i doing at >> all. We have it working on the self-justification of psychopaths at the >> moment. >> >> Gravity obviously collapses on seeing a photograph of me. Thanks for the >> memory. >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 3:13:50 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >> >> This here is my real lesson. You have been bringing up and pushing this >> idol model so many times that I have forgotten what the one was that I >> found better. All that I remember is that it was either located in the >> alchemy or in the metaphysical poetry context. It was a perfect four is all >> that is left. It has been overwritten by your four idols. >> >> 2015-02-11 1:35 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >> >> Francis Bacon classified the intellectual fallacies of his time under >> four headings which he called idols. He distinguished them as idols of the >> Tribe, idols of the e, idols of the Marketplace and idols of the Theatre. >> An idol is an image, in this case held in the mind, which receives >> veneration but is without substance in itself. Bacon did not regard idols >> as symbols, but rather as fixations. They expand a bit like this: >> >> 1. Tribe >> >> The example of desiring to see more order in the universe than is >> actually there is one of his examples of an idol of the tribe. He thinks >> that we all suffer from that one. >> >> 2. Cave >> >> An example of an idol of the cave (one of Bacon's examples) is that some >> minds are more drawn to new things and new ideas than they are to what has >> been around for a long time, while other minds are more drawn to >> "tradition" and "old school" ideas and ways than they are to newness. Bacon >> thinks we should become aware what our own tendency is so that we can make >> corrections for it. He hopes that by becoming aware of our own mind's >> tendencies toward loving novelty or tradition that we might be able to >> "correct" for them and then hopefully see things more clearly and truly. >> >> 3. Marketplace >> >> We often use words very loosely in common discourse. Bacon sees nothing >> wrong with that when we are just speaking ordinary language with friends >> and family. But, when it comes to trying to describe the world accurately >> and precisely, we should be aware of our tendency to use words loosely and >> should try to correct for it. When we are trying to speak precisely we >> should probably not say things like "The mountain is out today" (anyone >> outside of the Puget Sound area wouldn't have a clue what this means); or >> "The sun went under a cloud" (the sun did not go anywhere, let along >> underneath something); or "The sun came up this morning" (the earth >> actually just rotated). None of those sentences is precisely true, and if >> we use language imprecisely like this it can sometimes accidentally lead to >> huge misapprehensions about the world. Bacon thinks this misuse of words >> and language causes far more problems than we realize. >> >> 4. Theatre >> >> If you can think of someone you know who has recently bought into a whole >> new religion or philosophy or psychology, you can probably see how they >> have suddenly come to interpret everything in the universe according to >> their new world view. That world view has become the new lens through which >> they perceive and interpret everything in their world. What Bacon says, >> though, is that we all do this. We all interpret the world through the lens >> of our own little world view. It's just easier to see other people doing it >> than it is to see ourselves doing it. Bacon thinks we should become aware >> of how these world views shape and distort our own perceptions of the world >> so that we might be able to correct for it a bit. >> >> This is old work. My questions are about how we recognise the 'second >> head' as a delusion yet move hardly at all on obvious political delusions >> like economics, votes counting, social care, public ignorance and the >> making invisible of many social issues. For me, deep questions on self are >> involved. The internet self is unlikely to be, as Tony says, the same as >> the 'real'one - but then we have know for much longer than the internet >> people don't say the same things in different contexts. In fact the man or >> woman in the bar often looks totally different the morning after, let alone >> what the politician says in a speech compared with when she is with her >> backroom boys in the spin room. >> >> . >> >> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:17:04 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> At least with my knowledge of delusions I can imagine certain people >> growing a second head overnight and shooting the wrong spare. >> >> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:11:09 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> That seems to run to form Gabby. >> >> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:06:43 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >> >> Facil picked up your question and gave his answer, I agreed and then came >> Allan barking at Facil and I told Allan to watch his tongue or leave to his >> own thread. Only then did you enter the group timeline to start your big >> daddy has come home show. Now tell me what my deceitful intent was ... Or >> better, tell me tomorrow, I'm off for today. >> >> Am Dienstag, 10. Februar 2015 schrieb archytas : >> >> The only people I meet like that tend to be online students Tony. We use >> Skype video conferencing for a few sessions, so have actually seen each >> other. I'm quieter than people imagine, though none have yet said >> 'uglier'. I'm very prone to catch whatever bugs go around university >> environments too, so rather like electronic distance. With colleagues, the >> situation is we know a lot more about each other than most in online >> encounters. >> >> My version has 'confusion' written through it. I say something, Gabby >> takes it another way, or knows what I intended and chooses another slant >> for whatever reason. Online, I assume she has a sense of humour and a good >> turn with words. Deception is not part of this in the first place. Just >> guesses with less risk than so called reality. I suppose the classic >> online deceiver is the groomer - where the intent is to set up and image >> and then meet the victim. >> >> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 7:54:18 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 2:11:33 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >> >> The delusion that we are what we project is interesting Tony. >> >> >> "We claim to be what we project". Your version allows for reality mine >> allows for dishonesty. 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