Unquestionably, dear Gabs. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:36 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> Proof that the detail devil exists! > > 2015-02-12 15:53 GMT+01:00 Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>: > >> Ah, I meant Weyerbacher's Merry Monks >> >> http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/392/6073/ >> >> We say nearly the same words, and still speak a different language. >> >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 7:29 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Merrie Monk is still brewed by Marstons. Technically a mild, 4.5 abv >>> but seems to hit harder. Craft beers from micro breweries don't appeal to >>> me much - we have one round the corner (Banks) with about 7 different beers >>> that all taste the same. Mostly badge engineering over here, by Interbrew >>> - even they are now ab-inbev co the world's largest brewer. Boddies is now >>> part of that chain. I swear they have even screwed Stella Artois and have >>> been advertising it as 'reassuringly expensive'. >>> They make Bud too. Back in the day, I met the CEO of Stella Artois - he >>> was tea total. Kind enough to stock my hotel fridge with product though. >>> >>> I'm waiting for the time African beer gets marketed here with small >>> print 'warning: contains crocodile bile and battery acid' under the >>> Mumbojawless brand. Beer, apart from a few small brewers, tends to taste >>> better and cleaner abroad. Nordic friends now get ratted on Lithuanian >>> hooch before meeting at Ziggy's to sip expensive beer before piling back to >>> the barbecue at Sven and Olga's to finish off on Estonian imports. >>> >>> I see our new information manager is settling in nicely, already in a >>> room of her own talking to the walls. The gibberish she has to come up >>> with is difficult to learn but she has language skills to refine it to >>> total misinformation with that paranoid edge that keeps people on their >>> toes lest they slack into actual conversation. I doubt we could have >>> appointed a better one trick pony. One visit to her room by the >>> information commissioners and we will never see them again. >>> >>> Molly has done nearly all the work. The plan, of course, was always to >>> lure Gabby to this room and let her exhaust her poisons until no one else >>> is left, with the last one out pulling the door tightly shut. >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 12:42:29 AM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>> >>>> Oh man, Merry Monk is one of my favorites. I'm a sucker for >>>> Tripels...more so for Quadrupels. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 7:40 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Boddingtons' was the favourite bitter back in cop/army days. It was >>>> weak abv, amber, creamy and nectar. Since then big brewers took over, >>>> closed the old brewery and ruined the flavour.darkened the colour and the >>>> flavour went malty. Brings a tear to my eye to drink the much now. Holt's >>>> bitter was the classic though. Smelled like an old kangaroo's jock-strap >>>> or something Gabby throws in her cauldron. You had to get the first pint >>>> down holding your breath, By about the fourth, it was all cream nectar and >>>> you just had to make it eight. It was all live beer in 36 gallon barrels >>>> back then, manipulated into cellars by gangs of muscular dwarfs, watched >>>> over for days by a loving but grisly landlord who sank the first edible >>>> pint himself just to let us know who was in charge. Then came pasteurised >>>> beer and lager - and shameful sights like me and Railway Frank >>>> arm-wrestling for the last pint of Merry Monk. I won, but had to let him >>>> have the beer to make up for that. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 11:42:45 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm enjoying a Boddie's now; it's no Younger's 2, but it's got a nice >>>> creamy head. I can't find enough of the bitters here though; IPA's are the >>>> frat boy craft beer of choice. >>>> >>>> My good mates live on a 42' single mast now; the children are gone, and >>>> land held no attraction. I've still got another eight years or so before >>>> that becomes a possibility. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 6:34 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Just right for a transportation sentence then. Used to sail. My >>>> balance is crap now. Flying a desk just ain't it. When I was more >>>> actively engaged, some of the best parts involved solitude. I miss that. >>>> Loneliness is not the same thing. Bolton pubs have an air of desperation >>>> now, so I don't bother. The ale is usually cack too. That old fuggy muggy >>>> behind the sanctity of the pub door has faded to disinfectant and stale >>>> food smells. And I used to smoke when drinking. Not the same without. >>>> Plus 'young punk' violence is much worse now. >>>> >>>> I still get out to sea a couple of times a year on a mate's fishing >>>> smack. His quota days have just increased from 4 to 5 days a month. >>>> There's no living in it any more. Due out with him at the end of the month >>>> and will probably resume normal beer service then. Theakston's Old >>>> Peculiar and another black beer, Younger's No 2 are a treat when properly >>>> creamy. You'd still be sucking the stuff in from that facial appendage the >>>> following day. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 11:02:09 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>>> >>>> My pony tail and beard are built for the sea, but I skipper a desk >>>> chair, more to my chagrin. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:52 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Who are you calling an old pirate, Blackbeard? And what kind of >>>> nancy-boy pubs where they let woman in other than to be barmaids 'ave ye >>>> been drinkin' in? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 10:28:39 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>>> >>>> Only to an old pirate. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:26 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Has anyone else noticed that a colon and a right parenthesis look like >>>> a symbol for a cut-throat razor? :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, 11 February 2015 22:19:52 UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote: >>>> >>>> No justifications, dear Gabs. Just a correction. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:58 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Oh yes, What, who, whose questions are being ommitted is quite telling. >>>> There is a geometry in that too, of course. I explicitly said no blaming, >>>> and you come up with justifications?! For what? Yes, we were close to my >>>> wish come true, but then Facil appeared and it all started again. There is >>>> nothing I can do about it from where I sit. ;) >>>> >>>> Am Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015 schrieb Chris Jenkins : >>>> >>>> Oh, how quickly time muddles the recollection...perhaps you should go >>>> back and review some of those posts before I left. It was for the same >>>> reason Craig did, and had nothing to do with the legacy nature of an email >>>> list. I was overloaded between job and family, and simply couldn't keep up >>>> with the volume of communication (a strike against your assertion I left >>>> because I knew it was an outdated format). There were hundreds of posts, >>>> some of them quite combative (*ahem*), and any action taken by mods to keep >>>> the list adhering to its original intent was met with a hearty round of >>>> "fuck you matey". It was draining. >>>> >>>> My goodbye: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/minds-ey >>>> e/by$20chris/minds-eye/ZQB5vLJ2rSI/0GbRK-9nz-AJ >>>> >>>> Note that I put it to the group to decide, specifically because there >>>> was no other way to effectively determine any sort of self governance, and >>>> I didn't feel I had the right to make an arbitrary decision without input. >>>> >>>> You promptly attacked every facet of my decision (and I expected no >>>> less). There was a long and robust conversation with a ton of familiar >>>> faces (most missing now). Your first vote was for a natural death. Have you >>>> gotten your wish? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:37 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Over a thousand members, 5 actually post? >>>> >>>> >>>> This question coming from you? YOU! Oh come on, Chrissy baby! This is >>>> an outdated format here that doesn't generate much traffic anymore. You >>>> know that, that`s your job to know that, that`s why you quit the mod job >>>> here! No one is blaming you for that but don´t play the innocent here! You >>>> introduced no transparent polling as to who should become your successor, >>>> but lay down your crown to the one who threw his hat in the ring, a method >>>> acceptable for the queen also. Nice try, dear. >>>> >>>> 2015-02-11 17:34 GMT+01:00 Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> Yep, he passed the bar some time ago, which is a big part of why he no >>>> longer had time for these conversations. >>>> >>>> He's not alone in that, apparently. Over a thousand members, 5 actually >>>> post? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Such charm as ever Gabby. The term paedophile is not well taken here >>>> and may really insult Allan and make him sad. Molly was gone, in the sense >>>> of 'gone fishin'. Craig was becoming a lawyer. Hope he made it. He was a >>>> Mormon too. >>>> >>>> It would have been nice to hear updates on Bacon. There were eleven >>>> Idols. I expect your superior model incorporates them, or perhaps spits >>>> spleen. We can only be sure of never seeing it. >>>> >>>> We model defeasibly now and use a lot of geometry because a lot of us >>>> think in shape. The idea is to make natural language usable by the >>>> machine. It has even more difficulty making sense of just what humans say >>>> than a pair of paranoid-schizoid positionists. We do consider 'shapes' >>>> like the molygon as underliers in our logic and they are instructive. A >>>> gabbygon is on the horizon - some no doubt thinking this is the best >>>> place. The general theory is called 'bag of words' - we look for shapes in >>>> text to give context meaning and identify root metaphors. You probably >>>> know how the SNERT stands out like a sore thumb? Maybe accusing old men >>>> and their dogs kind of thing? We are trying to find much more routine >>>> issues in word use to get at some of Tony has described as dishonesty from >>>> 'bag of words' samples taken from the 'marketplace' and other Idol >>>> conversations. What the machine establishes from metadata - considering we >>>> often haven't - is fascinating because we are not sure what it i doing at >>>> all. We have it working on the self-justification of psychopaths at the >>>> moment. >>>> >>>> Gravity obviously collapses on seeing a photograph of me. Thanks for >>>> the memory. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 3:13:50 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>> >>>> This here is my real lesson. You have been bringing up and pushing this >>>> idol model so many times that I have forgotten what the one was that I >>>> found better. All that I remember is that it was either located in the >>>> alchemy or in the metaphysical poetry context. It was a perfect four is all >>>> that is left. It has been overwritten by your four idols. >>>> >>>> 2015-02-11 1:35 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> Francis Bacon classified the intellectual fallacies of his time under >>>> four headings which he called idols. He distinguished them as idols of the >>>> Tribe, idols of the e, idols of the Marketplace and idols of the Theatre. >>>> An idol is an image, in this case held in the mind, which receives >>>> veneration but is without substance in itself. Bacon did not regard idols >>>> as symbols, but rather as fixations. They expand a bit like this: >>>> >>>> 1. Tribe >>>> >>>> The example of desiring to see more order in the universe than is >>>> actually there is one of his examples of an idol of the tribe. He thinks >>>> that we all suffer from that one. >>>> >>>> 2. Cave >>>> >>>> An example of an idol of the cave (one of Bacon's examples) is that >>>> some minds are more drawn to new things and new ideas than they are to what >>>> has been around for a long time, while other minds are more drawn to >>>> "tradition" and "old school" ideas and ways than they are to newness. Bacon >>>> thinks we should become aware what our own tendency is so that we can make >>>> corrections for it. He hopes that by becoming aware of our own mind's >>>> tendencies toward loving novelty or tradition that we might be able to >>>> "correct" for them and then hopefully see things more clearly and truly. >>>> >>>> 3. Marketplace >>>> >>>> We often use words very loosely in common discourse. Bacon sees nothing >>>> wrong with that when we are just speaking ordinary language with friends >>>> and family. But, when it comes to trying to describe the world accurately >>>> and precisely, we should be aware of our tendency to use words loosely and >>>> should try to correct for it. When we are trying to speak precisely we >>>> should probably not say things like "The mountain is out today" (anyone >>>> outside of the Puget Sound area wouldn't have a clue what this means); or >>>> "The sun went under a cloud" (the sun did not go anywhere, let along >>>> underneath something); or "The sun came up this morning" (the earth >>>> actually just rotated). None of those sentences is precisely true, and if >>>> we use language imprecisely like this it can sometimes accidentally lead to >>>> huge misapprehensions about the world. Bacon thinks this misuse of words >>>> and language causes far more problems than we realize. >>>> >>>> 4. Theatre >>>> >>>> If you can think of someone you know who has recently bought into a >>>> whole new religion or philosophy or psychology, you can probably see how >>>> they have suddenly come to interpret everything in the universe according >>>> to their new world view. That world view has become the new lens through >>>> which they perceive and interpret everything in their world. What Bacon >>>> says, though, is that we all do this. We all interpret the world through >>>> the lens of our own little world view. It's just easier to see other people >>>> doing it than it is to see ourselves doing it. Bacon thinks we should >>>> become aware of how these world views shape and distort our own perceptions >>>> of the world so that we might be able to correct for it a bit. >>>> >>>> This is old work. My questions are about how we recognise the 'second >>>> head' as a delusion yet move hardly at all on obvious political delusions >>>> like economics, votes counting, social care, public ignorance and the >>>> making invisible of many social issues. For me, deep questions on self are >>>> involved. The internet self is unlikely to be, as Tony says, the same as >>>> the 'real'one - but then we have know for much longer than the internet >>>> people don't say the same things in different contexts. In fact the man or >>>> woman in the bar often looks totally different the morning after, let alone >>>> what the politician says in a speech compared with when she is with her >>>> backroom boys in the spin room. >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:17:04 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> At least with my knowledge of delusions I can imagine certain people >>>> growing a second head overnight and shooting the wrong spare. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:11:09 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> That seems to run to form Gabby. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 10:06:43 PM UTC, Gabby wrote: >>>> >>>> Facil picked up your question and gave his answer, I agreed and then >>>> came Allan barking at Facil and I told Allan to watch his tongue or leave >>>> to his own thread. Only then did you enter the group timeline to start your >>>> big daddy has come home show. Now tell me what my deceitful intent was ... >>>> Or better, tell me tomorrow, I'm off for today. >>>> >>>> Am Dienstag, 10. Februar 2015 schrieb archytas : >>>> >>>> The only people I meet like that tend to be online students Tony. We >>>> use Skype video conferencing for a few sessions, so have actually seen each >>>> other. I'm quieter than people imagine, though none have yet said >>>> 'uglier'. I'm very prone to catch whatever bugs go around university >>>> environments too, so rather like electronic distance. With colleagues, the >>>> situation is we know a lot more about each other than most in online >>>> encounters. >>>> >>>> My version has 'confusion' written through it. I say something, Gabby >>>> takes it another way, or knows what I intended and chooses another slant >>>> for whatever reason. Online, I assume she has a sense of humour and a good >>>> turn with words. Deception is not part of this in the first place. Just >>>> guesses with less risk than so called reality. I suppose the classic >>>> online deceiver is the groomer - where the intent is to set up and image >>>> and then meet the victim. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 7:54:18 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 2:11:33 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> The delusion that we are what we project is interesting Tony. >>>> >>>> >>>> "We claim to be what we project". Your version allows for reality mine >>>> allows for dishonesty. 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