I think the actual expertise is phony. They have built up a big control fraud around very little. In the past we have been dominated by such as water-engineers with basic skills hidden by their 'access' to the water-gods. The financiers are similar.
On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 10:17:59 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > Are these alternative currency really a challenge to the banksters? If > you want to really challenge banksters expertise use it to your advantage > by using the onion effect a system within a system.. The onion has been > used for generations under various names.. > If you are forced to swim across a flooded you do not survive by > swimming against the current. > > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:07 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? > > There have been many other alternative currencies, including drugs and > spices. The interesting thing is not Bitcoin itself (or the 80+ other > versions), but the challenge to claims of bank expertise and various > 'rents' in the economic system, oincluding those imposed by 'professionals' > > On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:54:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> well can not imagine why it is interesting. >> If it is security you want stay off the net and even then they still >> have you.. To much info readily available. But you know that.. >> Onions have great security .. So what makes it interesting? >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >> >> In that sense Allan, iy was just another bubble. This is not why it is >> interesting. >> >> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:15:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> We'll, if that is how you want to pay your bills.. Have fun, l recall >>> when Andrew became excited about bitcoin the said value was in the 1000 € = >>> 1 bitcoin.. Just looked up the value it is 211 € .. Let me help you pay >>> your bills you give me 1000 euro and in a few days I will give you 211 € >>> back.. Good deal right? When I first looked into bitcoin (when it first >>> came out) you could buy 2 for less than a Euro.. >>> My question really is how many euro did Andrew lose.. They would not >>> let me create a small wallet so I cold sell my jewelry.. >>> Now I was not allowed to create a wallet, found out later it was due >>> to questionable activities. But if you like looking at short term.. >>> Have fun. And I am called a zombie.. lol >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: gabbydott <[email protected]> >>> To: minds-eye <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 9:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>> >>> Let's make this a third person case and say people need money. They need >>> money pay their bills. Please don't be so hard on them, dear Allan. >>> >>> 2015-02-17 21:15 GMT+01:00 <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> If you worship money.... >>>> My memory is saying it is not worth anything for data storage and >>>> reterival and that is what computers are about.. In 1977 I walked away >>>> from >>>> programming.. >>>> Can be fun if and that is a big if.. >>>> Do you like long hours and extreme focus and the edge of sanity. The >>>> research projects were interesting.. >>>> >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 8:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>> >>>> It isn't that bleak Allan. Andrew has the basic description right. >>>> People generally refuse to see the bigger picture these developments are >>>> exposing. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 6:34:02 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Dream on Andrew, sorry and I already your are going to say I am full of >>>> shit,, by it is okay.. all own source is good for is ease in hacking.. I >>>> will watch people do the delusional twisters. >>>> A few people will always maintain machine language you are lucky >>>> because they are not interested in delusional dead.. beware through he >>>> people who will employ them are rue control freaks. The safety net is >>>> within numbers and time, the segmentation ability is where the secret >>>> lies.. >>>> >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 5:57 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>>> >>>> You can get a better explanation of the blockchain from the internet >>>> than I can give you. But as I like to simplify complicated things, I will >>>> give it a try. The blockchain is a public ledger that is kept by >>>> volunteers. The volunteers document transactions made by users.The ledger >>>> is verifyied by consensus of the volunteers. The the only way that ledger >>>> can be falsified is that 51% of the volunteers that maintain the ledger >>>> all >>>> have to agree to a falsified version of the ledger. The users broadcast a >>>> transaction they want to include in that ledger, and the volunteers >>>> transcribe that transactions in that ledger. There is no centralized >>>> point >>>> of control, as the ledger is distributed by the volunteers. The >>>> transactions can be Bitcoins, a cryptocurrency that apparently can not be >>>> falsified due to the encryption it uses, or any other transactions, like >>>> ownership of assets, or contracts. The blockchain is refereed to as a >>>> "trust-less system" in that you do not have to trust a centralized >>>> authority to maintain that ledger, as there are none. The protocol that is >>>> used for the blockchain is an open source program that prevents anyone >>>> compromising that protocol without everyone else knowing about any changes >>>> that might compromise it. The entire system is of course very complicated. >>>> The main aspects that allow such a system to be implemented is the >>>> mathematics of cryptology, the internet, the distributed network of >>>> computers, and geeks that maintain that network not because they want to >>>> hack or control it, but because they want to keep it honest. I hope that >>>> helps. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:56:22 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote: >>>> >>>> I am interested in empowerment tools. What is the blockchain >>>> technology, Andrew? First what it is and then what is does, okay? Thanks. >>>> >>>> Am Dienstag, 17. Februar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey : >>>> >>>> I have been thinking about your post Niel. >>>> The internet connects people via their computers. That is very >>>> empowering. especially to the owners of centralized computers that offer >>>> porn, entertainment, commerce and information. It is however the >>>> decentralized form of the internet that is truly empowering, enabling >>>> people globally to freely communicate and share information without the >>>> control of centralized powers. The blockchain technology is the most >>>> empowering. It frees people to make money transactions without banks, >>>> legal >>>> transactions without lawyers, and allows people to vote and voice their >>>> opinions without politicians. >>>> >>>> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire >>>> academic papers and books through still largely restricted access. It's >>>> much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of what >>>> shows up is dross. I've played with the rest to find out what is there. >>>> Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a university >>>> library. Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want. >>>> >>>> >>>> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net >>>> generally - in terms of how much of general consciousness this represents. >>>> >>>> Rational discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net. Techies spend a >>>> lot of time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate this >>>> sweep. There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to do >>>> 'expert knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build cars >>>> but able to drive them with a bit of training. My own bad is 'big data' >>>> as >>>> a new language that would bring a different speed to human discourse and >>>> potentially control of the means of production. >>>> >>>> >>>> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything >>>> except trash. I can join a site where a couple of young women will send >>>> me >>>> off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though >>>> don't. There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time. I >>>> bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping can be >>>> done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all. My insurance >>>> renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via one >>>> of >>>> the broker sites on the day. >>>> >>>> >>>> I do electronic teaching. So I'm no longer racked by whatever diseases >>>> undergraduate classes try to kill me with. And I never see a boss or have >>>> to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded as the >>>> students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes. The work is more or >>>> less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous short >>>> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes, at >>>> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help. >>>> >>>> >>>> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would >>>> really prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider >>>> material without packaging. The current business model encourages loads >>>> of >>>> channels with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with >>>> only >>>> 1% I'd want to see and don't want to pay to support. Sports channels >>>> require me to pay for soccer I don't want. Tony has done more for me in a >>>> few minutes (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever >>>> could. We lack a business model of actual choice. With one, insanestream >>>> news and other entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC, >>>> Discovery and so on, would be things of my past. In chronic business >>>> terms, I wonder how they do market segmentation at all. I am sick of Blue >>>> Peter (kids programme here) presentation. >>>> >>>> >>>> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group >>>> wanting something very different and something large enough not to be a >>>> part of when time presses and so on. Uber, properly supervised against >>>> racist drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can >>>> explain why - though we have not yet worked out that technology could >>>> massively reduce what we currently call work and planet burning. In the >>>> meantime we can't even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and >>>> everyone really) worrying on the curtain shades. Give us a twirl then >>>> girl, like one of those doxies Bruce Forsythe used to encourage. I can >>>> see >>>> something of a business model, starting with Chris' 'attractors'. The >>>> eventual key is content for a sophisticated audience - remembering very >>>> few >>>> people do education without any kind of accreditation pay-off and the >>>> means >>>> to pay for organisation does not move easily from free. 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