I would rather say that two old codgers support each other's dotage Gabby. On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 10:08:38 AM UTC, Gabby wrote: > > ...whereas all your teaching us seems to be centred around the idea how > even Allan's most zombie-like statements should be embraced to reach > enlightenment... > Am 27.02.2015 10:31 schrieb "archytas" <[email protected]>: > >> Certainly not RP. Only the bit about feeling linked to what you say on >> god was at all relevant to you. Tony raised the narc point and we do >> suggest some component of this may be necessary in creative living. That >> pathological individuals are attracted to self-development and religion and >> can actually be very dangerous was the point. >> >> On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 7:50:51 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>> >>> I hope, Neil, that you don't think that I am a narcissist. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:57 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you RP - I feel a link to what you say, though don't feel it >>>> necessary to define god. >>>> >>>> Tony raised narcissism, which we might connect to destiny. >>>> >>>> One form of Narcissism is a little understood personality disorder >>>> which is increasingly showing up in our leaders across political, >>>> business, >>>> sporting, psychological and spiritual institutions. Indeed narcissism and >>>> narcissistic is increasingly being used to describe the mass cultural >>>> shift >>>> to a “self” obsessed culture where there is rampant consumerism, the >>>> pursuit of power, excesses, and the abuse of others in the pursuit of >>>> these >>>> ends. We all need a healthy dose of narcissism, as else we would not back >>>> ourselves in life, nor have a healthy sense of self. There are healthy >>>> forms of narcissism. Pointing to and ridiculing one's own might well be >>>> healthy. >>>> >>>> The dangers of narcissism are discussed here - http://www. >>>> energeticsinstitute.com.au/page/narcissistic_group_dynamics.html >>>> >>>> One problem in recognising religious diversity is the idea that all >>>> people are honest about religious motivation and profession. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 4:07:16 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Neil, why think of God in the usual way, think of him as something >>>>> before the big bang from which the universe emerged. Think of him as the >>>>> mind which contained the unmanifest which became manifest as the >>>>> universe. >>>>> We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has >>>>> predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a >>>>> natural predetermined process. Why should God be aware like us, as the >>>>> source of all he need not be bound by the limits of consciousness and can >>>>> very well be unconscious. Have faith in such a God and your destiny. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Postmodernism is supposedly a set of critical, strategic and >>>>>> rhetorical practices employing concepts such as difference, repetition, >>>>>> the >>>>>> trace, the simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other concepts >>>>>> such >>>>>> as* presence*, identity, historical progress, epistemic certainty, >>>>>> and the univocity of meaning. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tony could be seen as replaying the liar's paradox here. To admit to >>>>>> hypocrisy may be to admit the truth. For some postmodern writers, one >>>>>> has >>>>>> to go further than any set of analytic rules and recognise madness at >>>>>> work >>>>>> and restriction of dialogue to safe metaphors like Freud's Oedipal >>>>>> family, >>>>>> when the world of real desire is very different (quite a few writers >>>>>> were >>>>>> gay). >>>>>> >>>>>> Skepticism, over many centuries, has taught a kind of suspension of >>>>>> judgement to a point when one works with many different arguments. >>>>>> Humour >>>>>> can often be the only thing left after rigorous doubting, a kind of >>>>>> self-depreciation in the face of conflicting evidence and themes. Those >>>>>> of >>>>>> us who 'know nothing' still know how to jibe "and even this is to know >>>>>> more >>>>>> than them, those who claim to know everything". This doubting process, >>>>>> in >>>>>> science, comes to at least a temporary end in crucial experiments that >>>>>> anyone, in principle, can demonstrate. This is rarely the case in >>>>>> ordinary >>>>>> living. >>>>>> >>>>>> Descartes had it that we could undergo these difficult skeptical >>>>>> processes with faith in a warm, benevolent god. It would be good to >>>>>> feel >>>>>> such a presence, but I don't. He had the instruments of torture to >>>>>> contend >>>>>> with for that matter. There is a presence of thinking on god without >>>>>> ancient fable, much as there are ways of thinking on economics without >>>>>> the >>>>>> dominating manners of neo-classical fantasy. The admission of >>>>>> perplexity >>>>>> is something of a start, but has something of the vulnerability of >>>>>> sensory >>>>>> deprivation. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am interested in the still mystical point of argument resolution >>>>>> after doubt that is not merely conviction, superiority.or promises so >>>>>> vague >>>>>> they are empty. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:12:31 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course Allan! My narcissism is baptized in hypocrisy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I espouse to walk in the light and yet there are plenty of >>>>>>> "Neighbors" I don't treat better than myself. I claim spiritual >>>>>>> superiority and yet find myself in constant need of attitude >>>>>>> adjustment. I >>>>>>> want world peace but have done little to push that round peg into all >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the square holes I have encountered. Maybe only 1 out of three times >>>>>>> do I >>>>>>> turn the other cheek. And, I am definitely superior to most of the >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> I meet in this life. My spirit is ill equipped to take on a higher >>>>>>> plane >>>>>>> of existence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/TplDVV1N_zw/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >
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