Quite delightful Facil.  I shall start several books disguising the fact I 
really agree!  Would say more, but I'm off to your post with enjoys in it 
... must say though, that factories tend to produce more than went into 
them, in a certain sense.

On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 5:43:22 AM UTC, facilitator wrote:
>
> If we assume God (god) exists than we must also realize that we can only 
> grasp what is made known to us.  In other words, we will never be able to 
> analyze god without some given knowledge.  The creation can never be above 
> the creator. If the sum total of all creation is greater than the creator 
> than the concept or reality of a god is superfluous. The parts are never 
> greater than the machine that produced them.  The universe appears oddly 
> large.  For something that (possibly) started as a singularity the amount 
> of mass in the entire (known) universe is ridiculously enormous.  One 
> galaxy would have been sufficient.  Something larger is at work.  Why all 
> the ratios, gears and pulleys in our own solar system?  We as a planet are 
> in two sweet spots, one is where we are in the Milky Way itself and the 
> other is our mass and distance from the sun.  Not to mention our 
> magnetosphere, it's all too convenient.  Our land to water ratio doesn't 
> hurt us either. We wouldn't survive without Jupiter or the Moon.  The Moon 
> does many different things other than keep us from wobbling apart, and make 
> dogs howl!  We can solve all of the scientific problems of the universe 
> except the "why".  The "Why" is the uncuttable piece.  It is the carrot at 
> the end of the stick.
>
>     The starting point for science and religion become the same.  "We 
> believe it to be so, so it is".   The breakdown occurs when the science 
> zealots want to shove theory down our throats as fact and the religionist 
> can't seem to generate enough spiritual "enlightenment" to cleanse a few 
> lepers or drop kick a person back to life after succumbing to rigor mortis. 
>   (I've been to the shouting, forehead slapping revivals.) The only thing 
> that seems to flow is the money.
>
> I believe.  I don't believe.   Seems simple enough.   The corporate 
> beliefs are much less palatable. We all must believe in climate change or 
> we become "deniers".  We all must believe in a particular religious 
> doctrine or we are banished.
>
> I am both a creationist and a scientist.  I want to know more.  I am not 
> satisfied with the current shopping cart of ideas.   
>
> When I was seven years old God spoke to me in an "audible" (I only heard 
> it in my head I think) voice.  I asked a question.  Got an answer and my 
> quest for knowledge never ceased.  I will never classify it as a religious 
> experience.  It was too profound to delegate it to "religion".
>
> "Even the least skillful artist can draw a conclusion". (™)
>
>
>

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