By your reasoning people who talk a lot about God, about their experience
of God are holy people! I have known a lot of such people to be thieves and
vagabonds thriving on the gullibility of the masses, Osho was one such and
was rightly booted out of the States. Maybe I should put a halo around you
because you claim to have met God three times.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> Do you think a lot of the political leaders of today should be admired and
> follow their moral behavior..
>
> What you just said is thieves are murders should be admired..
>
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RP Singh <[email protected]>
> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 3:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics
>
> If that is the case why don't they have halos around so many dead
> dignitaries like the American Presidents, Indian Prime Ministers and social
> activists?
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:37 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The purpose of the halo is to draw attention.. To the Person or being in
>> the picture or drawing. It does not mean that it exist in physical life..
>> It is simply a symbol of honor.
>>
>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]>
>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 2:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics
>>
>> But I don't see any around you, my friend!
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:13 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you need to check the paintings of Indian deities. Looks like a
>>> lot of halos to me.
>>>
>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]>
>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 2:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics
>>>
>>> What can be gained by the experience, it is a lot of hard work and takes
>>> much time. You can see Molly, Vam and many others, they are just like us,
>>> at least I don't see any halo around them, maybe you do. We have so many
>>> responsibilities in this world and instead of taking care of them we are
>>> engaged in this fruitless exercise. We need to have our priorities right!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:45 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Certainly logic in that RP.  Physics has got very interested
>>>> (speculatively) on observer-observed 'interactions' and quantum-jumping in
>>>> 4 sheets of space-time shadows of 8 dimensions and a role for dark matter
>>>> in biology.  You have to be pretty clever to follow it and pretty dumb to
>>>> think you understand it, and that understanding requires some sort of
>>>> notion of ourselves as electro-magnetic fields in instantaneous connection
>>>> with distant aliens (these claims on a non-scientific basis are found in
>>>> some 'primitive dreamtimes') - as well as more material-organic.  Someone
>>>> was standing next to me when I saw my Mongol horde and she didn't see it.
>>>> My mind distinctly placed the scene as 'outside me' yet clearly it was
>>>> inside my virtual space.
>>>>
>>>> There has long been talk of misplaced concreteness and the bifurcation
>>>> of reality (AN Whitehead here, deep in Eastern history).  Reality is
>>>> structured and so is the concept of duality. Rapture and bliss may be good
>>>> for us like breast-feeding, but seem unlikely as much other than a
>>>> variation in human experience.  However, I do think some kind of first
>>>> contact might be made, even in trying to have such experience.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 3:48:25 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The state of bliss or rapture is just a state of awareness of a human
>>>>> being, it cannot be called non-dual or God-state. If you look at the very
>>>>> word 'non-dual' it means absence of two and in effect one. In any state of
>>>>> consciousness or awareness there are always two--the observer and the
>>>>> observation, there is the one that is aware and the bliss or rapture.
>>>>> Non-dual expresses a singularity, the 'ONE', where there is no other, in
>>>>> effect a state beyond consciousness or maybe just a permanent state of
>>>>> unconsciousness. It is not death but the supreme state from which the
>>>>> entire creation streams out following the big bang or whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:17 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed you are a god to me Tony - just don't fall on my spot at the
>>>>>> bottom of the precipice or break Allan's coffee machine on the way down.
>>>>>> One could fall to grace.  The Russians stopped drilling into the Earth's
>>>>>> core at about 8 miles.  Some believe this was because they could hear the
>>>>>> screams from Hell.  In fact, their drill just hit a pot of Allan's double
>>>>>> espresso and Gabby was scalded on the floor below.  We have had to keep 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> trap-door shut since then, though we now get messages she has made her 
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> hope and sunshine,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the mystics are mystic, why do they keep copying each other like
>>>>>> management textbook writers and gurus?  I sort of want something 
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> and if I had the experience would be really pissed off if I could only
>>>>>> describe it as though I'd just come out of a Tom Perter's session.  Of
>>>>>> course, I haven't be purified yet or got a licence to fly the higher
>>>>>> plane.  If it's VTOL I promise to drop by and take you on the ride.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There has to be more to mysticism than the Soylent Green type and the
>>>>>> sales pitchers of its nutritional value.  Maths with no numbers does a 
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>> of it for me, but as we know, Allan zeroes out.  We use light to remind
>>>>>> mice about good times and they return to them.  Thought a lot on Andrew's
>>>>>> framework down by the river.  A couple of young girls were hugging Zak -
>>>>>> his now rather done in back legs got a temporary cure and he bounded with
>>>>>> the mystic eyes of pleasure for a bit.  Max went to round the old guy up 
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> we could go home, but the girls' dad was telling them about river otters,
>>>>>> so we stayed a while.  To the girls' delight, the dogs went into the 
>>>>>> river
>>>>>> to demonstrate.  It's out there somewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 9:35:33 PM UTC, facilitator wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I happen to be very humble.  Sometimes proud of it.   I did not
>>>>>>> answer myself.  Anyone reading that has to resharpen their senses so as 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> make a more simple response quite profound.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clearly their is something at work here which requires me know to
>>>>>>> "adjust" my dispenser orifice.  My narcissistic arrogance was not 
>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>> at that age since I mostly found myself fighting off gangs from other
>>>>>>> blocks in my urban neighborhood.  Very little time to think past which
>>>>>>> alley way is the quickest route home. Being careful not to become 
>>>>>>> cynical,
>>>>>>> I weave my way around and find no alley way. Expounding on this any 
>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>> would probably cheapen the experience. Fascinating!   Thinking there 
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> be a deity involved would be a first step, thinking I might be my own 
>>>>>>> deity
>>>>>>> is not a step but a precipice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Knowing more than Tony is easy.  Like Zaphod Beeblebrox, his ego is
>>>>>>>> bigger than imagination from a slice of Proust's angel cake that took 
>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>> back to an aunty's.  Using such power to visit an aunt reveals a lack 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> knowledge or a very dull boy.  As Tony cannot be the latter, one 
>>>>>>>> presumes
>>>>>>>> the former, though this does not exclude the possibility his ego is 
>>>>>>>> bigger
>>>>>>>> than the universe itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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