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تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: RP Singh <[email protected]>
To: Minds Eye <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics

I don't see why religious people should be honored , how and in what way
are doctors, engineers and social activists inferior to your God-knowers?

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:28 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> What I have been trying to tell you is halos are and artist rendition type
> of thing.  Have little or nothing about reality.
> Why not let people just be people and not read ideas into images..
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RP Singh <[email protected]>
> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 3:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics
>
> By your reasoning people who talk a lot about God, about their experience
> of God are holy people! I have known a lot of such people to be thieves and
> vagabonds thriving on the gullibility of the masses, Osho was one such and
> was rightly booted out of the States. Maybe I should put a halo around you
> because you claim to have met God three times.
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Do you think a lot of the political leaders of today should be admired
>> and follow their moral behavior..
>>
>> What you just said is thieves are murders should be admired..
>>
>>
>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]>
>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 3:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics
>>
>> If that is the case why don't they have halos around so many dead
>> dignitaries like the American Presidents, Indian Prime Ministers and social
>> activists?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:37 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> The purpose of the halo is to draw attention.. To the Person or being in
>>> the picture or drawing. It does not mean that it exist in physical life..
>>> It is simply a symbol of honor.
>>>
>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]>
>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 2:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics
>>>
>>> But I don't see any around you, my friend!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:13 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think you need to check the paintings of Indian deities. Looks like a
>>>> lot of halos to me.
>>>>
>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]>
>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 2:27 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics
>>>>
>>>> What can be gained by the experience, it is a lot of hard work and
>>>> takes much time. You can see Molly, Vam and many others, they are just like
>>>> us, at least I don't see any halo around them, maybe you do. We have so
>>>> many responsibilities in this world and instead of taking care of them we
>>>> are engaged in this fruitless exercise. We need to have our priorities
>>>> right!
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:45 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Certainly logic in that RP.  Physics has got very interested
>>>>> (speculatively) on observer-observed 'interactions' and quantum-jumping in
>>>>> 4 sheets of space-time shadows of 8 dimensions and a role for dark matter
>>>>> in biology.  You have to be pretty clever to follow it and pretty dumb to
>>>>> think you understand it, and that understanding requires some sort of
>>>>> notion of ourselves as electro-magnetic fields in instantaneous connection
>>>>> with distant aliens (these claims on a non-scientific basis are found in
>>>>> some 'primitive dreamtimes') - as well as more material-organic.  Someone
>>>>> was standing next to me when I saw my Mongol horde and she didn't see it.
>>>>> My mind distinctly placed the scene as 'outside me' yet clearly it was
>>>>> inside my virtual space.
>>>>>
>>>>> There has long been talk of misplaced concreteness and the bifurcation
>>>>> of reality (AN Whitehead here, deep in Eastern history).  Reality is
>>>>> structured and so is the concept of duality. Rapture and bliss may be good
>>>>> for us like breast-feeding, but seem unlikely as much other than a
>>>>> variation in human experience.  However, I do think some kind of first
>>>>> contact might be made, even in trying to have such experience.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 3:48:25 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The state of bliss or rapture is just a state of awareness of a human
>>>>>> being, it cannot be called non-dual or God-state. If you look at the very
>>>>>> word 'non-dual' it means absence of two and in effect one. In any state 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> consciousness or awareness there are always two--the observer and the
>>>>>> observation, there is the one that is aware and the bliss or rapture.
>>>>>> Non-dual expresses a singularity, the 'ONE', where there is no other, in
>>>>>> effect a state beyond consciousness or maybe just a permanent state of
>>>>>> unconsciousness. It is not death but the supreme state from which the
>>>>>> entire creation streams out following the big bang or whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:17 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed you are a god to me Tony - just don't fall on my spot at the
>>>>>>> bottom of the precipice or break Allan's coffee machine on the way down.
>>>>>>> One could fall to grace.  The Russians stopped drilling into the Earth's
>>>>>>> core at about 8 miles.  Some believe this was because they could hear 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> screams from Hell.  In fact, their drill just hit a pot of Allan's 
>>>>>>> double
>>>>>>> espresso and Gabby was scalded on the floor below.  We have had to keep 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> trap-door shut since then, though we now get messages she has made her 
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>> hope and sunshine,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the mystics are mystic, why do they keep copying each other like
>>>>>>> management textbook writers and gurus?  I sort of want something 
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> and if I had the experience would be really pissed off if I could only
>>>>>>> describe it as though I'd just come out of a Tom Perter's session.  Of
>>>>>>> course, I haven't be purified yet or got a licence to fly the higher
>>>>>>> plane.  If it's VTOL I promise to drop by and take you on the ride.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There has to be more to mysticism than the Soylent Green type and
>>>>>>> the sales pitchers of its nutritional value.  Maths with no numbers 
>>>>>>> does a
>>>>>>> bit of it for me, but as we know, Allan zeroes out.  We use light to 
>>>>>>> remind
>>>>>>> mice about good times and they return to them.  Thought a lot on 
>>>>>>> Andrew's
>>>>>>> framework down by the river.  A couple of young girls were hugging Zak -
>>>>>>> his now rather done in back legs got a temporary cure and he bounded 
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the mystic eyes of pleasure for a bit.  Max went to round the old guy 
>>>>>>> up so
>>>>>>> we could go home, but the girls' dad was telling them about river 
>>>>>>> otters,
>>>>>>> so we stayed a while.  To the girls' delight, the dogs went into the 
>>>>>>> river
>>>>>>> to demonstrate.  It's out there somewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 9:35:33 PM UTC, facilitator wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I happen to be very humble.  Sometimes proud of it.   I did not
>>>>>>>> answer myself.  Anyone reading that has to resharpen their senses so 
>>>>>>>> as to
>>>>>>>> make a more simple response quite profound.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Clearly their is something at work here which requires me know to
>>>>>>>> "adjust" my dispenser orifice.  My narcissistic arrogance was not 
>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>> at that age since I mostly found myself fighting off gangs from other
>>>>>>>> blocks in my urban neighborhood.  Very little time to think past which
>>>>>>>> alley way is the quickest route home. Being careful not to become 
>>>>>>>> cynical,
>>>>>>>> I weave my way around and find no alley way. Expounding on this any 
>>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>>> would probably cheapen the experience. Fascinating!   Thinking there 
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> be a deity involved would be a first step, thinking I might be my own 
>>>>>>>> deity
>>>>>>>> is not a step but a precipice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Knowing more than Tony is easy.  Like Zaphod Beeblebrox, his ego
>>>>>>>>> is bigger than imagination from a slice of Proust's angel cake that 
>>>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>>>> him back to an aunty's.  Using such power to visit an aunt reveals a 
>>>>>>>>> lack
>>>>>>>>> of knowledge or a very dull boy.  As Tony cannot be the latter, one
>>>>>>>>> presumes the former, though this does not exclude the possibility his 
>>>>>>>>> ego
>>>>>>>>> is bigger than the universe itself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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