I am sure you know nothing about how I live up to my responsibilities to my family as illustrated by your statement. Having a mystical viewpoint, or your viewpoint or any other viewpoint does not require you to neglect your family and I have not clue why you would think so. These experiences can happen as you go through your daily life, fulfilling your responsibilities. I gave you the name Nisargadatta, a mystic from your country. He fulfills his daily obligations while teaching the mystical viewpoint. Look it up.
On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 1:22:59 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote: > > You have lost the direction of the discussion in this foolish business of > halos.Pursuit of experience of what you call spiritual experience by taking > drugs or concentration is just so much waste of time and energy. It yields > nothing except smugness of achieving what you call the experience of > non-duality. All this at the expense of finding time to fulfill your > responsibility towards your family. You have to get your priorities right! > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:11 PM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I am not sure what you want me to ask an artist, but if you mean that I >> should ask the artists how to interpret their works of art, they should be >> insulted. They would i think like to believe that there are as many >> interpretations to their works of art as there are eyes that behold them. >> >> On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 5:21:27 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Ask the artist. >>> >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 4:20 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>> >>> I don't see why religious people should be honored , how and in what way >>> are doctors, engineers and social activists inferior to your God-knowers? >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:28 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> What I have been trying to tell you is halos are and artist rendition >>>> type of thing. Have little or nothing about reality. >>>> Why not let people just be people and not read ideas into images.. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 3:43 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>> >>>> By your reasoning people who talk a lot about God, about their >>>> experience of God are holy people! I have known a lot of such people to be >>>> thieves and vagabonds thriving on the gullibility of the masses, Osho was >>>> one such and was rightly booted out of the States. Maybe I should put a >>>> halo around you because you claim to have met God three times. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do you think a lot of the political leaders of today should be admired >>>>> and follow their moral behavior.. >>>>> >>>>> What you just said is thieves are murders should be admired.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 3:18 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>> >>>>> If that is the case why don't they have halos around so many dead >>>>> dignitaries like the American Presidents, Indian Prime Ministers and >>>>> social >>>>> activists? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:37 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The purpose of the halo is to draw attention.. To the Person or being >>>>>> in the picture or drawing. It does not mean that it exist in physical >>>>>> life.. It is simply a symbol of honor. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 2:55 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>> >>>>>> But I don't see any around you, my friend! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:13 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think you need to check the paintings of Indian deities. Looks >>>>>>> like a lot of halos to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 2:27 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What can be gained by the experience, it is a lot of hard work and >>>>>>> takes much time. You can see Molly, Vam and many others, they are just >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> us, at least I don't see any halo around them, maybe you do. We have so >>>>>>> many responsibilities in this world and instead of taking care of them >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> are engaged in this fruitless exercise. We need to have our priorities >>>>>>> right! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:45 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Certainly logic in that RP. Physics has got very interested >>>>>>>> (speculatively) on observer-observed 'interactions' and >>>>>>>> quantum-jumping in >>>>>>>> 4 sheets of space-time shadows of 8 dimensions and a role for dark >>>>>>>> matter >>>>>>>> in biology. You have to be pretty clever to follow it and pretty dumb >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> think you understand it, and that understanding requires some sort of >>>>>>>> notion of ourselves as electro-magnetic fields in instantaneous >>>>>>>> connection >>>>>>>> with distant aliens (these claims on a non-scientific basis are found >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> some 'primitive dreamtimes') - as well as more material-organic. >>>>>>>> Someone >>>>>>>> was standing next to me when I saw my Mongol horde and she didn't see >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> My mind distinctly placed the scene as 'outside me' yet clearly it was >>>>>>>> inside my virtual space. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There has long been talk of misplaced concreteness and the >>>>>>>> bifurcation of reality (AN Whitehead here, deep in Eastern history). >>>>>>>> Reality is structured and so is the concept of duality. Rapture and >>>>>>>> bliss >>>>>>>> may be good for us like breast-feeding, but seem unlikely as much >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> than a variation in human experience. However, I do think some kind >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> first contact might be made, even in trying to have such experience. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 3:48:25 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The state of bliss or rapture is just a state of awareness of a >>>>>>>>> human being, it cannot be called non-dual or God-state. If you look >>>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>>> very word 'non-dual' it means absence of two and in effect one. In >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> state of consciousness or awareness there are always two--the >>>>>>>>> observer and >>>>>>>>> the observation, there is the one that is aware and the bliss or >>>>>>>>> rapture. >>>>>>>>> Non-dual expresses a singularity, the 'ONE', where there is no other, >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> effect a state beyond consciousness or maybe just a permanent state >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> unconsciousness. It is not death but the supreme state from which the >>>>>>>>> entire creation streams out following the big bang or whatever. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:17 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Indeed you are a god to me Tony - just don't fall on my spot at >>>>>>>>>> the bottom of the precipice or break Allan's coffee machine on the >>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>> down. One could fall to grace. The Russians stopped drilling into >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Earth's core at about 8 miles. Some believe this was because they >>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>> hear the screams from Hell. In fact, their drill just hit a pot of >>>>>>>>>> Allan's >>>>>>>>>> double espresso and Gabby was scalded on the floor below. We have >>>>>>>>>> had to >>>>>>>>>> keep the trap-door shut since then, though we now get messages she >>>>>>>>>> has made >>>>>>>>>> her own hope and sunshine, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the mystics are mystic, why do they keep copying each other >>>>>>>>>> like management textbook writers and gurus? I sort of want >>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>> different and if I had the experience would be really pissed off if >>>>>>>>>> I could >>>>>>>>>> only describe it as though I'd just come out of a Tom Perter's >>>>>>>>>> session. Of >>>>>>>>>> course, I haven't be purified yet or got a licence to fly the higher >>>>>>>>>> plane. If it's VTOL I promise to drop by and take you on the ride. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There has to be more to mysticism than the Soylent Green type and >>>>>>>>>> the sales pitchers of its nutritional value. Maths with no numbers >>>>>>>>>> does a >>>>>>>>>> bit of it for me, but as we know, Allan zeroes out. We use light to >>>>>>>>>> remind >>>>>>>>>> mice about good times and they return to them. Thought a lot on >>>>>>>>>> Andrew's >>>>>>>>>> framework down by the river. A couple of young girls were hugging >>>>>>>>>> Zak - >>>>>>>>>> his now rather done in back legs got a temporary cure and he bounded >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> the mystic eyes of pleasure for a bit. Max went to round the old >>>>>>>>>> guy up so >>>>>>>>>> we could go home, but the girls' dad was telling them about river >>>>>>>>>> otters, >>>>>>>>>> so we stayed a while. To the girls' delight, the dogs went into the >>>>>>>>>> river >>>>>>>>>> to demonstrate. It's out there somewhere. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 9:35:33 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I happen to be very humble. Sometimes proud of it. I did not >>>>>>>>>>> answer myself. Anyone reading that has to resharpen their senses >>>>>>>>>>> so as to >>>>>>>>>>> make a more simple response quite profound. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Clearly their is something at work here which requires me know >>>>>>>>>>> to "adjust" my dispenser orifice. My narcissistic arrogance was >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> present at that age since I mostly found myself fighting off gangs >>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>> other blocks in my urban neighborhood. Very little time to think >>>>>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>>>> which alley way is the quickest route home. Being careful not to >>>>>>>>>>> become >>>>>>>>>>> cynical, I weave my way around and find no alley way. Expounding on >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> any further would probably cheapen the experience. Fascinating! >>>>>>>>>>> Thinking >>>>>>>>>>> there might be a deity involved would be a first step, thinking I >>>>>>>>>>> might be >>>>>>>>>>> my own deity is not a step but a precipice. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Knowing more than Tony is easy. Like Zaphod Beeblebrox, his >>>>>>>>>>>> ego is bigger than imagination from a slice of Proust's angel cake >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> took him back to an aunty's. Using such power to visit an aunt >>>>>>>>>>>> reveals a >>>>>>>>>>>> lack of knowledge or a very dull boy. 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