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This isn't a photograph. Science has many images similar to the religious in it. On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 6:27:13 PM UTC, archytas wrote: > > There could always be a dark matter halo around Allan RP - one must keep > options open!. This group would struggle to focus on a light at the end of > a tunnel. There is a difference between taking a drink and being an > alcoholic and opening a few boundaries, or killing some pain, and being a > chaotic druggie. Molly has just played what is either evidence or an > evidence excluding card in her last paragraph on mystic experience not > making perfect people. Prioritising helps sometimes, as in triage, but > look above at Marx prioritising economics and the USA ahead of bring > slavery down, or his clown notion on Asiatic society at the British. He > was, in my view, an unconscious Christian mystic with delusions on what > economics was in his own time. > > A plan for the many not the privileged few is a mystic statement without > real, detailed planning. A group of mystics poncing around in > rationalisation, might sound a lot like Marx on the 'nigger' (his word) as > essential to the economic plan of history. My apologies for the term, > though not to anyone who can't see its necessary context here. Even the > family might not be a good thing RP, in terms of wider green > responsibilities to each other and how it generally 'inflicts' childcare on > women. > > On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 5:22:59 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >> >> You have lost the direction of the discussion in this foolish business of >> halos.Pursuit of experience of what you call spiritual experience by taking >> drugs or concentration is just so much waste of time and energy. It yields >> nothing except smugness of achieving what you call the experience of >> non-duality. All this at the expense of finding time to fulfill your >> responsibility towards your family. You have to get your priorities right! >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:11 PM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I am not sure what you want me to ask an artist, but if you mean that I >>> should ask the artists how to interpret their works of art, they should be >>> insulted. They would i think like to believe that there are as many >>> interpretations to their works of art as there are eyes that behold them. >>> >>> On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 5:21:27 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Ask the artist. >>>> >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 4:20 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>> >>>> I don't see why religious people should be honored , how and in what >>>> way are doctors, engineers and social activists inferior to your >>>> God-knowers? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:28 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> What I have been trying to tell you is halos are and artist rendition >>>>> type of thing. Have little or nothing about reality. >>>>> Why not let people just be people and not read ideas into images.. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 3:43 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>> >>>>> By your reasoning people who talk a lot about God, about their >>>>> experience of God are holy people! I have known a lot of such people to >>>>> be >>>>> thieves and vagabonds thriving on the gullibility of the masses, Osho was >>>>> one such and was rightly booted out of the States. Maybe I should put a >>>>> halo around you because you claim to have met God three times. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Do you think a lot of the political leaders of today should be >>>>>> admired and follow their moral behavior.. >>>>>> >>>>>> What you just said is thieves are murders should be admired.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 3:18 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>> >>>>>> If that is the case why don't they have halos around so many dead >>>>>> dignitaries like the American Presidents, Indian Prime Ministers and >>>>>> social >>>>>> activists? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:37 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The purpose of the halo is to draw attention.. To the Person or >>>>>>> being in the picture or drawing. It does not mean that it exist in >>>>>>> physical >>>>>>> life.. It is simply a symbol of honor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 2:55 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But I don't see any around you, my friend! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:13 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think you need to check the paintings of Indian deities. Looks >>>>>>>> like a lot of halos to me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 2:27 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What can be gained by the experience, it is a lot of hard work and >>>>>>>> takes much time. You can see Molly, Vam and many others, they are just >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> us, at least I don't see any halo around them, maybe you do. We have >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> many responsibilities in this world and instead of taking care of them >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> are engaged in this fruitless exercise. We need to have our priorities >>>>>>>> right! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:45 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Certainly logic in that RP. Physics has got very interested >>>>>>>>> (speculatively) on observer-observed 'interactions' and >>>>>>>>> quantum-jumping in >>>>>>>>> 4 sheets of space-time shadows of 8 dimensions and a role for dark >>>>>>>>> matter >>>>>>>>> in biology. You have to be pretty clever to follow it and pretty >>>>>>>>> dumb to >>>>>>>>> think you understand it, and that understanding requires some sort of >>>>>>>>> notion of ourselves as electro-magnetic fields in instantaneous >>>>>>>>> connection >>>>>>>>> with distant aliens (these claims on a non-scientific basis are found >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> some 'primitive dreamtimes') - as well as more material-organic. >>>>>>>>> Someone >>>>>>>>> was standing next to me when I saw my Mongol horde and she didn't see >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> My mind distinctly placed the scene as 'outside me' yet clearly it >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> inside my virtual space. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There has long been talk of misplaced concreteness and the >>>>>>>>> bifurcation of reality (AN Whitehead here, deep in Eastern history). >>>>>>>>> Reality is structured and so is the concept of duality. Rapture and >>>>>>>>> bliss >>>>>>>>> may be good for us like breast-feeding, but seem unlikely as much >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> than a variation in human experience. However, I do think some kind >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> first contact might be made, even in trying to have such experience. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 3:48:25 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The state of bliss or rapture is just a state of awareness of a >>>>>>>>>> human being, it cannot be called non-dual or God-state. If you look >>>>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>>>> very word 'non-dual' it means absence of two and in effect one. In >>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>> state of consciousness or awareness there are always two--the >>>>>>>>>> observer and >>>>>>>>>> the observation, there is the one that is aware and the bliss or >>>>>>>>>> rapture. >>>>>>>>>> Non-dual expresses a singularity, the 'ONE', where there is no >>>>>>>>>> other, in >>>>>>>>>> effect a state beyond consciousness or maybe just a permanent state >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> unconsciousness. It is not death but the supreme state from which >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> entire creation streams out following the big bang or whatever. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:17 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Indeed you are a god to me Tony - just don't fall on my spot at >>>>>>>>>>> the bottom of the precipice or break Allan's coffee machine on the >>>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>>> down. One could fall to grace. The Russians stopped drilling into >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> Earth's core at about 8 miles. Some believe this was because they >>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>> hear the screams from Hell. In fact, their drill just hit a pot of >>>>>>>>>>> Allan's >>>>>>>>>>> double espresso and Gabby was scalded on the floor below. We have >>>>>>>>>>> had to >>>>>>>>>>> keep the trap-door shut since then, though we now get messages she >>>>>>>>>>> has made >>>>>>>>>>> her own hope and sunshine, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If the mystics are mystic, why do they keep copying each other >>>>>>>>>>> like management textbook writers and gurus? I sort of want >>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>> different and if I had the experience would be really pissed off if >>>>>>>>>>> I could >>>>>>>>>>> only describe it as though I'd just come out of a Tom Perter's >>>>>>>>>>> session. Of >>>>>>>>>>> course, I haven't be purified yet or got a licence to fly the >>>>>>>>>>> higher >>>>>>>>>>> plane. If it's VTOL I promise to drop by and take you on the ride. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There has to be more to mysticism than the Soylent Green type >>>>>>>>>>> and the sales pitchers of its nutritional value. Maths with no >>>>>>>>>>> numbers >>>>>>>>>>> does a bit of it for me, but as we know, Allan zeroes out. We use >>>>>>>>>>> light to >>>>>>>>>>> remind mice about good times and they return to them. Thought a >>>>>>>>>>> lot on >>>>>>>>>>> Andrew's framework down by the river. A couple of young girls were >>>>>>>>>>> hugging >>>>>>>>>>> Zak - his now rather done in back legs got a temporary cure and he >>>>>>>>>>> bounded >>>>>>>>>>> with the mystic eyes of pleasure for a bit. Max went to round the >>>>>>>>>>> old guy >>>>>>>>>>> up so we could go home, but the girls' dad was telling them about >>>>>>>>>>> river >>>>>>>>>>> otters, so we stayed a while. To the girls' delight, the dogs went >>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>> the river to demonstrate. It's out there somewhere. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 9:35:33 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I happen to be very humble. Sometimes proud of it. I did not >>>>>>>>>>>> answer myself. Anyone reading that has to resharpen their senses >>>>>>>>>>>> so as to >>>>>>>>>>>> make a more simple response quite profound. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly their is something at work here which requires me know >>>>>>>>>>>> to "adjust" my dispenser orifice. My narcissistic arrogance was >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> present at that age since I mostly found myself fighting off gangs >>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>> other blocks in my urban neighborhood. Very little time to think >>>>>>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>>>>> which alley way is the quickest route home. Being careful not to >>>>>>>>>>>> become >>>>>>>>>>>> cynical, I weave my way around and find no alley way. Expounding >>>>>>>>>>>> on this >>>>>>>>>>>> any further would probably cheapen the experience. Fascinating! >>>>>>>>>>>> Thinking >>>>>>>>>>>> there might be a deity involved would be a first step, thinking I >>>>>>>>>>>> might be >>>>>>>>>>>> my own deity is not a step but a precipice. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Knowing more than Tony is easy. Like Zaphod Beeblebrox, his >>>>>>>>>>>>> ego is bigger than imagination from a slice of Proust's angel >>>>>>>>>>>>> cake that >>>>>>>>>>>>> took him back to an aunty's. Using such power to visit an aunt >>>>>>>>>>>>> reveals a >>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of knowledge or a very dull boy. As Tony cannot be the >>>>>>>>>>>>> latter, one >>>>>>>>>>>>> presumes the former, though this does not exclude the possibility >>>>>>>>>>>>> his ego >>>>>>>>>>>>> is bigger than the universe itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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