There is a genetic predisposition in some people towards mysticism, those who have such a disposition will wander into that sphere without any guidance and spend a lifetime in such endeavor. In that pursuit if they neglect, even though to a little extent, their duties towards others it pinches when you find out in the end that the quest was not worth the effort. Molly might be sure that she has reached the ultimate in her efforts, but my reading is that you are just fooling yourself if you think so and maybe in the end you will realize like me that you were just following your inclination and rationalizing things to feel worthy of the effort.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:00 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > There is always the problem of what we feel the real motivation of people > (like Gandhi) who one can read slept in bed with young kids in order to > save the world by his resisting his own temptations or was a British spy > and so on. Who knows what mystics might be doing. Maybe they just strugg > along making livings out of a foolish audience. It can seem that way. But > why pick on them in this world of bullshit jobs and bankers? > > For some people, mystic practices are very important, but then so is > fashion, cricket and a whole range of trivia. I must be honest RP and > declare I do not believe they achieve "Warp 10" and are in touch with every > quantum in the universe as Molly suggests, but this is not to assume Moll > is lying to us or doesn't have the experience she testifies to. Joan of > Arc is a saint to some and saved the French from the English fiend. In > films she looks good in a suit of armour. Some think she was just a > deluded kid and there never was much of a siege of Orleans to relieve. > Indeed, some of us think the whole of history, as held in popular > imaginations, is crap. > > There are dire people about - you only have to look at the power elite > almost anywhere to know - yet most people are in thrall to them or > celebrity. Yet if we start looking down on people we have missed the > point. And maybe we have to find ways of talking in which we can offend > each other without clashing swords in ad hominem and the other standard > distractive jousts this place has been riddled with? I am sure there are > things to learn at your feet RP, as I already have. Molly is a good > teacher too. And so are kids, eyes gleaming, arms round Zak enjoying his > delight with them. Max gets jealous and performs his tricks to take part, > in a scene moving on. Put a paedophile in this scene and the wonder > stops. Make that me and I will want to blood a nose, though I don't do > that kind of violence. > > I think the history of mysticism is a failure, but then we have what is > largely a history of mistakes. Molly has written some acute stuff on > tolerance. It gleamed at me from the page like Zak's eyes with a new > girlfriend. I know it doesn't help me calibrate a Femto laser and don't > care. I could teach her that in half-an-hour. I suspect much scientific > fear of mysticism comes from fear of general COWDUNG public opinion and > idiots. I don't believe in quamta other than as accounting devices, so if > Molly brought me one back in a jar from her experience with the one my > world-view would be shaken apart (but then the micro-structure of water is > every attosecond). Molly will not be waiting for my consignment of jars > with baited breath and I won't be posting any. > > Once one asserts the "proper" one is potentially patronising RP. This > cannot be the end of the matter, of course, for how else to we protect our > kids or prioritise? Yet note in this sentence I am stating that protecting > kids is proper - against wider anthropology and history their are examples > where this protection is not done and even seen as bad. And I could be > patronising in raising this with you. Yet what kind of fool turns up to > teach thinking the class is there to learn? This is a world of keeping the > wolf from the door, not learning. > > I have seem Molly's apparent description of her experience thousands of > times. It's so common it's "Warp 10" in Voyager. Scews up Paris' DNA as I > remember. It is, of course, not a description at all, much as most > eyewitness accounts are not very good or complete without help. Here, one > might do the lady the courtesy of reading a couple of her books, before > thinking I'm criticising other than constructively. One can see something > of 'grasping frames' and inclusive argument attempting to find common > cause. Ofcourse, there is far more I dislike about mystic and religious > literature than I have time for. > > > On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 2:38:43 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >> >> That some mystics are very successful people is to be accepted, but if >> they had endeavored in proper spheres they might have contributed much more >> to the human pool, also it would have stopped fools like me to have wasted >> so much time on the path of knowledge, for there is nothing to be gained by >> such knowledge. Better the sportsman who plays with vigor and totally >> committed and attached to the sport than the mystic in search of answers to >> questions which when known lead to disappointment. Of what use is the >> experience or any such knowledge when faced with the fact that you have >> this life only and by laying down a path which leads to no practical >> achievement you are spoiling the life of so many others who follow you. >> Attachment to a cause is better than detachment because the latter >> diminishes the psychological motivation to excel. >> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Translation must be confusing idea with viewpoint somehow, two >>> completely different things in the English language. I am also unsure why >>> you think your perceptions and judgement of people who are seeking a >>> mystical experience apply to all mystics but all I can say is I have had a >>> completely different experience of people who study mysticism and have had >>> mystical experiences. While some of them do follow the trends, the majority >>> of people I know who follow these interests are professional, successful, >>> intelligent, more often than not, loving people. You may feel that these >>> pursuits are a waste of time, that does not mean they are. It just means >>> that your judgments shape your opinions. not uncommon. If you feel this >>> way, why enter into the discussion? Do you get something out of telling >>> people they waste their time and shrug their family responsibility (even >>> though you have no clue whether or not they actually do?) >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 8:16:00 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote: >>>> >>>> There is difference between viewpoint and experience, in the first >>>> there is just an idea in the other there is the experiencing. I have known >>>> many people spending hours in the practice of concentration to achieve the >>>> experience, time which could easily have been spent on more essential >>>> activities. Also most people get so obsessed with the idea that they become >>>> carefree and start taking worldly matters carelessly, their priorities get >>>> skewed. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:03 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am sure you know nothing about how I live up to my responsibilities >>>>> to my family as illustrated by your statement. Having a mystical >>>>> viewpoint, >>>>> or your viewpoint or any other viewpoint does not require you to neglect >>>>> your family and I have not clue why you would think so. These experiences >>>>> can happen as you go through your daily life, fulfilling your >>>>> responsibilities. I gave you the name Nisargadatta, a mystic from >>>>> your country. He fulfills his daily obligations while teaching the >>>>> mystical >>>>> viewpoint. Look it up. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 1:22:59 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You have lost the direction of the discussion in this foolish >>>>>> business of halos.Pursuit of experience of what you call spiritual >>>>>> experience by taking drugs or concentration is just so much waste of time >>>>>> and energy. It yields nothing except smugness of achieving what you call >>>>>> the experience of non-duality. All this at the expense of finding time to >>>>>> fulfill your responsibility towards your family. You have to get your >>>>>> priorities right! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:11 PM, andrew vecsey < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not sure what you want me to ask an artist, but if you mean >>>>>>> that I should ask the artists how to interpret their works of art, they >>>>>>> should be insulted. They would i think like to believe that there are as >>>>>>> many interpretations to their works of art as there are eyes that behold >>>>>>> them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 5:21:27 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ask the artist. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 4:20 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't see why religious people should be honored , how and in >>>>>>>> what way are doctors, engineers and social activists inferior to your >>>>>>>> God-knowers? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:28 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What I have been trying to tell you is halos are and artist >>>>>>>>> rendition type of thing. Have little or nothing about reality. >>>>>>>>> Why not let people just be people and not read ideas into images.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 3:43 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By your reasoning people who talk a lot about God, about their >>>>>>>>> experience of God are holy people! I have known a lot of such people >>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>> thieves and vagabonds thriving on the gullibility of the masses, Osho >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> one such and was rightly booted out of the States. Maybe I should put >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> halo around you because you claim to have met God three times. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:58 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you think a lot of the political leaders of today should be >>>>>>>>>> admired and follow their moral behavior.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What you just said is thieves are murders should be admired.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 3:18 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If that is the case why don't they have halos around so many dead >>>>>>>>>> dignitaries like the American Presidents, Indian Prime Ministers and >>>>>>>>>> social >>>>>>>>>> activists? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:37 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The purpose of the halo is to draw attention.. To the Person or >>>>>>>>>>> being in the picture or drawing. It does not mean that it exist in >>>>>>>>>>> physical >>>>>>>>>>> life.. It is simply a symbol of honor. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 2:55 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But I don't see any around you, my friend! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:13 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think you need to check the paintings of Indian deities. >>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like a lot of halos to me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 2:27 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Einstein and the Mystics >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What can be gained by the experience, it is a lot of hard work >>>>>>>>>>>> and takes much time. You can see Molly, Vam and many others, they >>>>>>>>>>>> are just >>>>>>>>>>>> like us, at least I don't see any halo around them, maybe you do. >>>>>>>>>>>> We have >>>>>>>>>>>> so many responsibilities in this world and instead of taking care >>>>>>>>>>>> of them >>>>>>>>>>>> we are engaged in this fruitless exercise. We need to have our >>>>>>>>>>>> priorities >>>>>>>>>>>> right! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:45 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly logic in that RP. Physics has got very interested >>>>>>>>>>>>> (speculatively) on observer-observed 'interactions' and >>>>>>>>>>>>> quantum-jumping in >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 sheets of space-time shadows of 8 dimensions and a role for >>>>>>>>>>>>> dark matter >>>>>>>>>>>>> in biology. You have to be pretty clever to follow it and pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb to >>>>>>>>>>>>> think you understand it, and that understanding requires some >>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of >>>>>>>>>>>>> notion of ourselves as electro-magnetic fields in instantaneous >>>>>>>>>>>>> connection >>>>>>>>>>>>> with distant aliens (these claims on a non-scientific basis are >>>>>>>>>>>>> found in >>>>>>>>>>>>> some 'primitive dreamtimes') - as well as more material-organic. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone >>>>>>>>>>>>> was standing next to me when I saw my Mongol horde and she didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> see it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> My mind distinctly placed the scene as 'outside me' yet clearly >>>>>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>>>>>> inside my virtual space. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There has long been talk of misplaced concreteness and the >>>>>>>>>>>>> bifurcation of reality (AN Whitehead here, deep in Eastern >>>>>>>>>>>>> history). >>>>>>>>>>>>> Reality is structured and so is the concept of duality. Rapture >>>>>>>>>>>>> and bliss >>>>>>>>>>>>> may be good for us like breast-feeding, but seem unlikely as much >>>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>> than a variation in human experience. However, I do think some >>>>>>>>>>>>> kind of >>>>>>>>>>>>> first contact might be made, even in trying to have such >>>>>>>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 3:48:25 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The state of bliss or rapture is just a state of awareness of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a human being, it cannot be called non-dual or God-state. If you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> look at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the very word 'non-dual' it means absence of two and in effect >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one. In any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> state of consciousness or awareness there are always two--the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> observer and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the observation, there is the one that is aware and the bliss or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rapture. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-dual expresses a singularity, the 'ONE', where there is no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect a state beyond consciousness or maybe just a permanent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> state of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unconsciousness. It is not death but the supreme state from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> entire creation streams out following the big bang or whatever. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:17 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed you are a god to me Tony - just don't fall on my spot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the bottom of the precipice or break Allan's coffee machine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down. One could fall to grace. The Russians stopped drilling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth's core at about 8 miles. Some believe this was because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hear the screams from Hell. In fact, their drill just hit a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pot of Allan's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> double espresso and Gabby was scalded on the floor below. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have had to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep the trap-door shut since then, though we now get messages >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she has made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her own hope and sunshine, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the mystics are mystic, why do they keep copying each >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other like management textbook writers and gurus? I sort of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different and if I had the experience would be really pissed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off if I could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only describe it as though I'd just come out of a Tom Perter's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> session. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I haven't be purified yet or got a licence to fly the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plane. If it's VTOL I promise to drop by and take you on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ride. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There has to be more to mysticism than the Soylent Green >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type and the sales pitchers of its nutritional value. Maths >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers does a bit of it for me, but as we know, Allan zeroes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. We use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light to remind mice about good times and they return to them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thought a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot on Andrew's framework down by the river. A couple of young >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girls were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hugging Zak - his now rather done in back legs got a temporary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cure and he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bounded with the mystic eyes of pleasure for a bit. Max went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to round the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old guy up so we could go home, but the girls' dad was telling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> river otters, so we stayed a while. To the girls' delight, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dogs went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the river to demonstrate. It's out there somewhere. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 9:35:33 PM UTC, facilitator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I happen to be very humble. Sometimes proud of it. I did >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not answer myself. Anyone reading that has to resharpen their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> senses so as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make a more simple response quite profound. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly their is something at work here which requires me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know to "adjust" my dispenser orifice. My narcissistic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arrogance was not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present at that age since I mostly found myself fighting off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gangs from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other blocks in my urban neighborhood. Very little time to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think past >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which alley way is the quickest route home. Being careful not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to become >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cynical, I weave my way around and find no alley way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Expounding on this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any further would probably cheapen the experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fascinating! Thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there might be a deity involved would be a first step, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking I might be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my own deity is not a step but a precipice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-4, archytas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Knowing more than Tony is easy. Like Zaphod Beeblebrox, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his ego is bigger than imagination from a slice of Proust's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angel cake that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> took him back to an aunty's. Using such power to visit an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aunt reveals a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of knowledge or a very dull boy. 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