> Any thoughts on the general outline I proposed?
>
> [master gain][balance][head mix][head gain][4/2 deck toggle]
> [Deck 1][Deck 1/2 mixer][Deck 2]
> waveform 1
> waveform 2
> waveform 3
> waveform 4
> [Deck 3][Deck 3/4 mixer][Deck 4]

I'm using Mixxx without controller without scratching and so on, just
simple crossfading with external mixer and so on.
I would also prefer the option to have the (almost) screen-wide
waveforms. I liked the 'old' 1.11 Latenight. Clearly that doesn't work
out for 4 decks.

I think one should not clutter a skin with dozens of config-options but
better fork that skin (or decide for one, better, solution maybe).

The option to get the bigLibrary is a real benefit for me and results in
lesser need of a large library when everything is turned on.

The only reason I have the mixer turned on is the crossfader and the
preview-Buttons. On my machine, in 4 and 2 deck mode without the mixer
there is some space where the mixxx logo is displayed. Would it be
possible to get the crossfader (and maybe the cue-buttons) there? That
would result in the big waveforms for me.

Another option would be to make the waveforms (nearly) screen-wide and
place pitch, EQ, Volume, Cue, on the left and right (as pitch was in
1.11). That would only leave crossfader, Master, Balance, HeadGain and
Pre/Main from the mixer-section what could eventually be placed like
proposed above where the mixxx logo is, in between of previewDeck and
maybe Mics.
[pitch/EQ/Vol Deck1] [Waveform 1] [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck2]
[------------------] [Waveform 3] [------------------]
[pitch/EQ/Vol Deck3] [Waveform 2] [pitch/EQ/Vol Deck4]
[------------------] [Waveform 4] [------------------]
[ Deck1 ]       [ Deck2 ]     [ Deck3 ]      [ Deck4 ]
[PreviewDeck]   [   Crossfade/Master  ]  [Microphones]
[Samplers]
[Effects]
[Library]

I've done a quick sketch http://imgur.com/MruunAd
I've not rescaled anything except some little changes and this dosn't
get bigger than the current approach but gives much bigger waveforms.

But I am unsure if this is out of scope for LateNight and should better
be done in an other skin.

What do you think?

Cheers,
Markus

Am 08.06.2015 um 03:44 schrieb Be:
> I tested it and it helps, but adding these options feels like putting 
> bandages on a bigger design issues that are not very easy to solve. 
> There are so many buttons for skin options at the top that it's kinda 
> overwhelming. However, I think trying to implement better solutions to 
> those design challenges would take a lot of effort that shouldn't delay 
> 1.12.
> 
> Any thoughts on the general outline I proposed?
> 
> [master gain][balance][head mix][head gain][4/2 deck toggle]
> [Deck 1][Deck 1/2 mixer][Deck 2]
> waveform 1
> waveform 2
> waveform 3
> waveform 4
> [Deck 3][Deck 3/4 mixer][Deck 4]
> 
> On 06/06/2015 01:04 PM, Owen Williams wrote:
>> "thanks" as in, you tested it and it works well?  I don't want to commit
>> without someone taking a look at it.
>>
>> On Sat, 2015-06-06 at 09:30 +0000, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:29:14 +0000 "Owen Williams"
>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>>> I've posted a PR for some new LateNight display options.  I'm
>>>> definitely
>>>> running up against the limits of the skinning engine so I can't do
>>>> a lot
>>>> more than this.  But it makes it possible to specifically select
>>>> the big
>>>> waveforms if you want them.  It also makes it possible to turn off
>>>> the
>>>> EQs to save some vertical space without eliminating the whole
>>>> mixer.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks:)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 05:16 +0000, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Owen,
>>>>>
>>>>> That mockup was poorly thought out re: mixer, sorry. I never use
>>>> 4
>>>>> decks :/
>>>>>
>>>>> If you aren't sick of my backseat driving yet, I just had
>>>> another
>>>>> slightly radical idea - make LateNight's library "toggle only",
>>>> so
>>>>> that the "big library" button becomes the only way to see it.
>>>> This
>>>>> wouldn't inhibit my personal use style, and it would free the
>>>>> entire screen for controls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly a complimentary idea is to let the search field remain
>>>> in
>>>>> the main window, and have "big library" open with the results,
>>>>> either as you type or after hitting enter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for fun I've attached the Gimp .xcf layers I used for the
>>>>> mockup, which can be used in a paper-doll fashion.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~RAWRR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 19:01:55 +0000 "Owen Williams"
>>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I think we should come up with some sort of standard effect
>>>> rack
>>>>>> template that all the skins can share (and theme as necessary)
>>>> but
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> not sure we can do that in time for release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is currently not enough room for big waveforms and the
>>>> mixer
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> also 4 decks.  At low resolutions, it's already impossible to
>>>> show
>>>>>> every
>>>>>> UI element, and the skin system is not flexible enough to allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> every possible combination of elements.  So the design is a
>>>> best-
>>>>>> effort
>>>>>> at letting people choose a good layout.  Ultimately if there's
>>>> a
>>>>>> skin
>>>>>> design you want that isn't possible, it may be necessary to
>>>> create
>>>>>> a new
>>>>>> skin for it.  For a while I was maintaining LateNight-Wide,
>>>> which
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> all four decks horizontally and the waveforms at the top,
>>>> spanning
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> width of the screen.  Maybe it's time to resurrect that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 18:40 +0000, re-cy...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Owen,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been using the LateNight resizeable skin and I have a
>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>> of issues:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can we get a thing where the effects bank can optionally get
>>>>>>> minimized, possibly back to the simplistic dials existing
>>>>>>> previously? I'm running out of real estate on all of my
>>>> screens,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> don't currently have any hi-res ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Related, I kind of hate being forced to choose waveforms vs.
>>>>>> mixer,
>>>>>>> and the loss of big waveforms in that skin to begin with. It
>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>> to me the reason they got 86'd was the effects bank mentioned
>>>>>> above.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Didn't file a bug because this is just my
>>>> experience/preference,
>>>>>>> but thought you'd want feedback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~RAWRR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 17:53:57 +0000 "Owen Williams"
>>>>>>> <owilli...@mixxx.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2015-06-02 at 15:29 -0400, RJ Ryan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * skin polish (Jus has an active Deere branch)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The skins are in kind of bad shape at the moment. They
>>>> really
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> polish to bring them to design bar that we set pretty high
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> 1.11.0.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mention skins are in a bad shape -- can you file bugs
>>>> for
>>>>>>>> issues you
>>>>>>>> know about?  I've been fixing the LateNight bugs as they are
>>>>>>>> reported
>>>>>>>> and I think things are in a pretty good state there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We really need to get the Deere stuff merged in, though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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