I'm also saying that it's really cavalier for a buyer such Helmut to say that he has no problem using Air Mail International even if a few parcels are not received and quite another when a seller is out $400 on account of a parcel not getting to its destination or having gotten there is delivered into the hands of a lying, cheating buyer who pretends he didn't receive it! FRANC -----Original Message----- From: Kirby McDaniel [mailto:ki...@movieart.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:52 PM To: Franc Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] PayPal Seller Protection
I have to say that I agree with Franc here. We had to move heaven and earth with paypal to get them to refund $400 to me. The story is too long to go into, but sellers are basically asked to proceed on faith with paypal. Kirby On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Franc wrote: No, I saying PayPal puts dealers UNDER the rock. FRANC -----Original Message----- From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art [mailto:sa...@comic-art.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:58 PM To: Franc; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] PayPal Seller Protection Franc is really saying that Paypal puts dealers between a rock and a hard place. At 10:46 AM 12/20/2011, Franc wrote: The other item Helmut has omitted in his discussion below is that as a purchaser Buyer using PayPal, one is always protected in the case of non-delivery no matter the reason. The seller however is not. Hence when buying, of course it makes sense to pay only for Air Mail International. In the event this package is not received , the buyer can always receive a PayPal refund. Not so with the seller. The seller is royally screwed by Ebay and PayPal unless a proof of delivery can be provided and so far Priority International and Express International are the only services offerred by USPS that provides absolute proof of delivery. I'm currently testing Stamps.com to see if International Air Mail tracking is provided and so far I've received no tracking on any of the International Air Mail packages I've shipped through them. I'll keep you posted on this. FRANC -----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [ <mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:01 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] PayPal Seller Protection Helmut the one thing you do not mention, and that most people are not aware of, but I am because we send so many packages, is that anything over 4 lbs to overseas destinations can only be shipped by Priority Mail. it adds alot to the cost of a package.. but we can't do anything about it unless we ship by UPS, which costs even more!! no doubt that shipping costs are a tremendous deterrent to some people when bidding and ultimately, they bid less to balance out shipping costs. it's like adding a seller's fee to every poster as it comes out of my results Rich At 03:01 AM 12/20/2011, Helmut Hamm wrote: I'm a dealer myself, so I can obviously understand any seller's aggravation when a package gets lost, and I'm certainly the last person who has anything positive to say about Paypal... However, when it comes to shipping costs, I RECEIVE at the very least 100 international packages every year, most likely a lot more. 100 packages sent with First Class Mail International would cost me about $12 each, $1,200 total. The same 100 packages shipped PRIORITY MAIL, at a cost of about $24 each would result in $2,400 in total shipping costs. That's roughly $1,200 in additional shipping costs in a single year alone. I like to have a tracking number for really expensive items, but even with items of $100 value, I could afford to LOSE almost a dozen packages, or more than 10% (!!!!) of my incoming mail, and without ever filing for a refund, I would STILL be a couple of hundreds bucks ahead. Now my ACTUAL loss rate is WAY UNDER 1%. Postal services may be slow, but sooner or later, almost anything tends to show up again. For me, the math is pretty simple: Using Priority Mail all the way would cost me a four-digit amount extra every year, so instead, all I ask from the seller is a proof of shipment, and IN RETURN I agree to cover the risk of a possible loss. On the other hand, if I'm made to pay for Priority Mail, I will of course use any chance Paypal gives me to get my money back. (I currently have a Priority package that should have been shipped about six weeks ago, about $400 value, and the seller says he's lost the tracking number. Although I'm pretty optimistic that it'll show up eventually, I will of course file a claim with Paypal in this case.) Helmut Well, maybe whomever you got at PayPal was more charitable to you than the person I contacted, who told me in no uncertain terms that the customs label can not be used for either tracking or proof of shipment. This occurred two months ago and I was out about $300 in revenue. If you input an international customs # into the USPS website, all you get is a certification indicating that the package was presented to the Post Office in your origin city and no delivery information whatsoever. FRANC Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com <http://www.filmfan.com/> ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com <http://www.filmfan.com/> ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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