Howdy y'all, If a package originated from US to international destination, it was my understanding that Paypal would protect the seller, if seller provided a delivery confirmation / tracking # that could be accessed online.
USPS global express provides that info. While it is an expensive option compared to their other choices, it is still cheaper than any other international carrier. I am not sure that the other USPS choices provide online confirmation. I have used that service exclusively, and it has worked every time without fail. Naturally, I have acquiesced to every international buyer's request that the value of the package is nominal, so that the buyer may avoid VAT (Value Added Tax), so there is a trade off, so to speak. Since I have not seen any messages to the contrary, I am sure that all the international buyers on this forum have never requested to have their shipments declared at a nominal value so that they may avoid paying the VAT; and all the sellers who ship internationally ... automatically declare the actual value of each shipment, so that their buyers can faithfully discharge their duty as fine, upstanding, law-abiding citizens and pay the VAT with a happy face. Sooo ... one can either pay for the quickest possible service with a nominal value ... or ... pay for slo-o-o-w service with actual declared value and pay the VAT po-tay-to po-tah-to to-may-to to-mah-to let's call the whole thing off (with apologies to George and Ira) ad ________________________________ From: peter contarino <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] PayPal Seller Protection Message I use stamps.com for International and I have found that their tracking is as non-existent as the USPS. Peter Contarino From:MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Franc Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] PayPal Seller Protection The other item Helmut has omitted in his discussion below is that as a purchaser Buyer using PayPal, one is always protected in the case of non-delivery no matter the reason. The seller however is not. Hence when buying, of course it makes sense to pay only for Air Mail International. In the event this package is not received , the buyer can always receive a PayPal refund. Not so with the seller. The seller is royally screwed by Ebay and PayPal unless a proof of delivery can be provided and so far Priority International and Express International are the only services offerred by USPS that provides absolute proof of delivery. I'm currently testing Stamps.com to see if International Air Mail tracking is provided and so far I've received no tracking on any of the International Air Mail packages I've shipped through them. I'll keep you posted on this. FRANC -----Original Message----- >From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard >Halegua Posters + Comic Art >Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:01 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [MOPO] PayPal Seller Protection >Helmut the one thing you do not mention, and that most people are not aware >of, but I am because we send so many packages, is that anything over 4 lbs to >overseas destinations can only be shipped by Priority Mail. > >it adds alot to the cost of a package.. but we can't do anything about it >unless we ship by UPS, which costs even more!! > >no doubt that shipping costs are a tremendous deterrent to some people when >bidding and ultimately, they bid less to balance out shipping costs. >it's like adding a seller's fee to every poster as it comes out of my results > >Rich > >At 03:01 AM 12/20/2011, Helmut Hamm wrote: > > >I'm a dealer myself, so I can obviously understand any seller's aggravation >when a package gets lost, and I'm certainly the last person who has anything >positive to say about Paypal... > >However, when it comes to shipping costs, I RECEIVE at the very least 100 >international packages every year, most likely a lot more. 100 packages sent >with First Class Mail International would cost me about $12 each, $1,200 >total. The same 100 packages shipped PRIORITY MAIL, at a cost of about $24 >each would result in $2,400 in total shipping costs. That's roughly $1,200 in >additional shipping costs in a single year alone. > >I like to have a tracking number for really expensive items, but even with >items of $100 value, I could afford to LOSE almost a dozen packages, or more >than 10% (!!!!) of my incoming mail, and without ever filing for a refund, I >would STILL be a couple of hundreds bucks ahead. Now my ACTUAL loss rate is >WAY UNDER 1%. Postal services may be slow, but sooner or later, almost >anything tends to show up again. > >For me, the math is pretty simple: Using Priority Mail all the way would cost >me a four-digit amount extra every year, so instead, all I ask from the seller >is a proof of shipment, and IN RETURN I agree to cover the risk of a possible >loss. > >On the other hand, if I'm made to pay for Priority Mail, I will of course use >any chance Paypal gives me to get my money back. (I currently have a Priority >package that should have been shipped about six weeks ago, about $400 value, >and the seller says he's lost the tracking number. Although I'm pretty >optimistic that it'll show up eventually, I will of course file a claim with >Paypal in this case.) > >Helmut > > > > >Well, maybe whomever you got at PayPal was more charitable to you than the >person I contacted, who told me in no uncertain terms that the customs label >can not be used for either tracking or proof of shipment. This occurred two >months ago and I was out about $300 in revenue. If you input an international >customs # into the USPS website, all you get is a certification indicating >that the package was presented to the Post Office in your origin city and no >delivery information whatsoever. 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