I have to say that I agree with Franc here. We had to move heaven and earth with paypal to get them to refund $400 to me. The story is too long to go into, but sellers are basically asked to proceed on faith with paypal.
Kirby On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Franc wrote: > No, I saying PayPal puts dealers UNDER the rock. FRANC > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:58 PM > To: Franc; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOPO] PayPal Seller Protection > > Franc is really saying that Paypal puts dealers between a rock and a hard > place. > > > At 10:46 AM 12/20/2011, Franc wrote: >> The other item Helmut has omitted in his discussion below is that as a >> purchaser Buyer using PayPal, one is always protected in the case of >> non-delivery no matter the reason. The seller however is not. Hence when >> buying, of course it makes sense to pay only for Air Mail International. In >> the event this package is not received , the buyer can always receive a >> PayPal refund. Not so with the seller. The seller is royally screwed by Ebay >> and PayPal unless a proof of delivery can be provided and so far Priority >> International and Express International are the only services offerred by >> USPS that provides absolute proof of delivery. I'm currently testing >> Stamps.com to see if International Air Mail tracking is provided and so far >> I've received no tracking on any of the International Air Mail packages I've >> shipped through them. I'll keep you posted on this. FRANC >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MoPo List [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard >> Halegua Posters + Comic Art >> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:01 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MOPO] PayPal Seller Protection >> >> Helmut the one thing you do not mention, and that most people are not aware >> of, but I am because we send so many packages, is that anything over 4 lbs >> to overseas destinations can only be shipped by Priority Mail. >> >> it adds alot to the cost of a package.. but we can't do anything about it >> unless we ship by UPS, which costs even more!! >> >> no doubt that shipping costs are a tremendous deterrent to some people when >> bidding and ultimately, they bid less to balance out shipping costs. >> it's like adding a seller's fee to every poster as it comes out of my results >> >> Rich >> >> At 03:01 AM 12/20/2011, Helmut Hamm wrote: >>> I'm a dealer myself, so I can obviously understand any seller's aggravation >>> when a package gets lost, and I'm certainly the last person who has >>> anything positive to say about Paypal... >>> >>> However, when it comes to shipping costs, I RECEIVE at the very least 100 >>> international packages every year, most likely a lot more. 100 packages >>> sent with First Class Mail International would cost me about $12 each, >>> $1,200 total. The same 100 packages shipped PRIORITY MAIL, at a cost of >>> about $24 each would result in $2,400 in total shipping costs. That's >>> roughly $1,200 in additional shipping costs in a single year alone. >>> >>> I like to have a tracking number for really expensive items, but even with >>> items of $100 value, I could afford to LOSE almost a dozen packages, or >>> more than 10% (!!!!) of my incoming mail, and without ever filing for a >>> refund, I would STILL be a couple of hundreds bucks ahead. Now my ACTUAL >>> loss rate is WAY UNDER 1%. Postal services may be slow, but sooner or >>> later, almost anything tends to show up again. >>> >>> For me, the math is pretty simple: Using Priority Mail all the way would >>> cost me a four-digit amount extra every year, so instead, all I ask from >>> the seller is a proof of shipment, and IN RETURN I agree to cover the risk >>> of a possible loss. >>> >>> On the other hand, if I'm made to pay for Priority Mail, I will of course >>> use any chance Paypal gives me to get my money back. (I currently have a >>> Priority package that should have been shipped about six weeks ago, about >>> $400 value, and the seller says he's lost the tracking number. Although I'm >>> pretty optimistic that it'll show up eventually, I will of course file a >>> claim with Paypal in this case.) >>> >>> Helmut >>> >>> >>>> Well, maybe whomever you got at PayPal was more charitable to you than the >>>> person I contacted, who told me in no uncertain terms that the customs >>>> label can not be used for either tracking or proof of shipment. This >>>> occurred two months ago and I was out about $300 in revenue. If you input >>>> an international customs # into the USPS website, all you get is a >>>> certification indicating that the package was presented to the Post Office >>>> in your origin city and no delivery information whatsoever. 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