>Ron: >when DMB quoted James as saying ""only new born babes and people in >extraordinary circumstances have access to pure experience (James 1912,
>93). I agree and this is where I say changing this spacial awareness of >objects is difficult (unless you consider a full frontal lobotomy easy >also and I'm still projecting my own difficulties). Dan: I would say that the spacial awareness of objects that you refer to is your imagination at work; there is no way to prove spacial awareness (or objects) exists. Ron: I Argue then that there is no way for you to prove other people exist or anything else outside of you exists. Are we all then constructs of your mind? back to Solopsism. Dan: If ideas are not the genesis of reality then in your subject/object world you're back to matter. Are you saying matter is the genesis of reality? If so, how? How do ideas arise from matter? Ron: How does one arise from their mother and father? where then does the food come from to sustain your ideas? stop indulging in the idea of nutritional consumption for say a week and let me know if matter exists. Dan: This is what subject/object thinking will do... twist a person into loops. You seem to be maintaining that there really is an objective reality which can be subjectively sensed and building your hypothesis to support that end. The MOQ states that the idea of matter before ideas is a high quality idea, nothing more. Dan: Ham is a wonderful person. He does not (in my opinion) seem to have a handle on the MOQ, however. If you want to talk Essence, he's the guy. If you want to talk MOQ, then gav, Platt, Anthony McWatt, DMB, etc., are the guys. Ron: None of them have yet to address any of my questions. I can almost hear the ka-ching of the static latch. whatever happened to radical empiricism. Thanks Dan I don't mean to get snippy but I'm kinda frustrated right now. Going to spend the remainder of the week in the mountains to clear my head, I really do appreciate your time. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
