> [Ron previously]
> > strictly speaking, matter does come before ideas,
> it's the basis of
> > ideas it's the common referent to
> every living things
>
> [SA previously]
> Are the four levels to be evolutions structure?
> Thus, inorganic first, organic second, and so forth.
> If so, then inorganic does come before ideas even on
> this macro-scale.
> It is quality first, then static patterns. That was
> the first split. I
> believe we once called that the first MoQ principle.
> Quality splitting into dynamic and static.
> [Ron]
> I think it makes logical sense, the Quality event as
> you say then
> dynamic/static. The only place
> I hesitate is the assumption of the quality event in
> relation to the
> strictly inorganic, It makes
> me ask the question : does quality exist without a
> subject?
I'm referring to evolution in this structure of
inorganic first, organic second, etc... I'm referring
to natural history.
[Ron]
> I can understand value patterns from
> attractive and repulsive energy forces in relation
> to dynamism making sense. but Quality
> understood as Quality from a subjective POV, I
> don't know, this is where I bring up
> the idea of subjective value vs. objective value
> ...they're both similar but are they
> the same? is value still a broad umbrella term? is
> this where the objectivist and the
> subjectivists in the MOQ discuss still battle? any
> thoughts?
What battle? The battle was in SOM, "What is the
subject and what is the object? The battle was in SOM
to draw the lines and make 'things' exclusively this
and exclusively that. I see the MoQ as stating
subjects have some objects in them and objects have
some subjects in them. I see the MoQ defining the
gray areas.
SA
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