> Dan:
> Subjects and objects are intellectual patterns of
> values... ideas. So it
> seems pretty simple to see that ideas come before
> matter, which Mr.
> Pirsig has said numerous times:
>
> Ron:
> It hardly matters whether we call it "pure
> experience" as James did, the
> "undifferentiated aesthetic continuum" as Northrop
> did, the "whole
> situation" as Dewey did or the "primary empirical
> reality" as Pirsig
> does... The idea is simply that
> everything follows from
> that first and most basic experience. All the
> conceptual distinctions
> are secondary to that, are derived from that...
Ron, I somewhat agree with you. Dan, it still
seems as if your saying ideas are reality. What I'm
saying is our primary experience, dq, is what is
experienced first. What is experienced second is
either inorganic, organic, social, and/or intellectual
patterns of static value.
woods,
SA
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