As the title of this thread mentions, is this where
subject/object logic takes us as follows below:
> [Platt]
> Yes, I understand that it is "quite disturbing" to a
> liberal to have
> a conservative viewpoint expressed.
>
> [Ant]
> No, what is disturbing is your continued uncritical
> use of the
> parameters set in debate by neo-con ideology rather
> than Zen
> orientated philosophy.
>
> [Arlo]
> Greetings Brother Puppy-torturing Commie! I'm
> curious, what
> "conservative viewpoint" did Platt express other
> than the gratuitous
> smear assault on DMB? Any?? Like with his reply to
> me, Platt has
> nothing whatsoever to offer except ad nauseuam
> rehashing of tired
> one-liners like "leftist loony" and "radical left
> Marxist fringe". He
> offers nothing to the dialogue except inane
> polarizing ideology that
> serves nothing, certainly not the topics as were
> being discussed.
>
> With me, of course, there was the smallest hint of
> condemnation on
> consumerism, and a mention that government (in its
> provision of
> infrastructure such as courts, currency, roads,
> public lands, EMT
> services, police and military protection, schooling,
> labor
> regulations, libraries, museums, mass transit, etc.)
> is not "the
> problem". The "problem", to any rational mind, is
> the abuse of power,
> whether attained by vote or by wealth. But of
> course, the mere
> mention of these government programs brought the
> most moronic of
> comments I've seen in a while, "Arlo should visit
> the Holocaust
> Memorial". That one comment demonstrates beyond any
> words I could
> type the singularly vile and despicable rhetoric
> that flows from this man.
>
> [Platt]
> Liberals would love to shut down talk radio, a
> frightening wish
> remindful of a dictator's first move -- silence
> opposition.
>
> [Ant]
> Yet another smear.
>
> [Arlo]
> This is the Mightly Wurlitzer of the season here on
> the Limbaugh and
> Hannity programs. "Liberals want to silence talk
> radio". Never mind
> the perennial assault on the Academy brought year
> after year by the
> same trumpets, an attempt to silence that nearly
> cost Pirsig his job.
> I, for one, love that talk radio is on the air. It
> provides a
> never-ending river of stupidity by which I can teach
> students how to
> begin applying critical reasoning skills. And since
> Platt is simply
> doling out more "fear rhetoic", let me remind here
> that the
> "dictator's first move" has historically been to
> vilify the Academy
> and marginalize the media. Hitler's effectiveness in
> attaining power
> stemmed directly from his two-front vilification of
> these social
> branches. All professors are evil "lefties", and the
> "media" is
> nothing but lies and propaganda. By effectively
> drumbeating the
> message that the only "fair and balanced" viewpoint
> was that
> sanctioned by the Reich, forces that would normally
> function to
> counter this power were made impotent. Let's also
> remember that the
> "dictator's first move" also always includes the
> condemnation of
> criticism to the regime as "unpatriotic" and
> "treasonous". Those who
> would condemn the dictator would be branded as
> "aiding and abetting
> the enemy", vilified as traitors and enemies of
> freedom. So, yes,
> let's consider these "frightening wishes remindful
> of a dictator's first move".
>
> [Platt]
> There must be something to the conservative
> worldview that appeals to
> many. My guess is: individual freedom.
>
> [Arlo]
> My guess is: ignorance, propaganda, greed and/or an
> overly
> materialistic outlook.
>
> [Arlo]
> Witness the absurd dichotomy. The only "wordview"
> that encompasses
> "individual freedom" is conservatism. Inane. But
> that's part of the
> ongoing rhetorical distortion of talk-radio. "Libs
> hate freedom". Its
> a pathetic reminder of the ideological war raging
> with this vile rhetoric.
>
> But there is little doubt that you are correct, Ant.
> Fear, propaganda
> and greed, appeals to xenophobia and the rise of
> "Nightmare
> Politicians" are what lay behind the modern pendulum
> swing to the far
> right. Just as they did in the late 1890s, I have
> full confidence,
> people will grow weary of the constant fear demanded
> by the right and
> begin seeing that the sacrifices they made to elect
> Nightmare
> Politicians were hardly worthwhile. If it means
> anything, two of my
> oldest friends who have been conservative-faithfuls
> for years, have
> both expressed to me this summer their disgust with
> the right, and
> how they see they were duped. It may mean little,
> and we may have a
> while to go before the pendulum swings back, I have
> every confidence it will.
>
> Ultimately, however, what we need is another
> "hippie" revolution. One
> that does not repeat the past mistake, but moves us
> forward in a
> Dynamic leap of Quality. In the meantime, we can
> expect the same-old
> tired "return to Victorianism" rhetoric we've come
> to love.
> Anyway, good to talk to you Comrade Puppy Killer and
> Enemy of Freedom.
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