Quoting ian glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Well I never Ant, > > I hadn't noticed your Mary Parker-Follett references before in your > text-book (must re-visit), I've mentioned her here and on the blog > many times and you've not responded. I'm a big fan. > > Part of the problem we have, making progress in a subject like this, > is the polarization of language which would be difficult even if we > weren't dealing with the likes of Platt.
Ho hum. Gratuitous insults intended to belittle Platt continue unabated. > I've tended to use words like "governance" rather than "political > system" and ultimately governance is about accepting limits to > freedoms, what values those limits are based on, and what processes > are used to resolve conflict where freedoms bump up against each > other. (Platt simply feigns ignorance when I put the problem like that > ... as if freedom was the last word on the matter.) And continues . . . > So whilst freedom is a no-brainer - the problem is both capitalism and > anarchy are forms of freedom. Free markets of values, just with > different values and market processes as their basis. > > At one extreme, gav's view of freedom is so total it might be > characterised as anarchy - no limits whatsoever. At the other Platt > also see's almost total freedom but where the only limits are the > (monetary) market values of capital. And continues . . . > I think you are absolutely right to emphasise the MoQ hierarchy of > values, where monetary values are just examples social patterns only. > (And this is really where the debate you've started should continue > ... accepting that policy decisions of governance - where to allow > patterns values to set limits on each other - is precisely what the > MoQ values are about ...) > > I have to smile though when I see you object to being tagged as "on > the left" whilst quoting yor own chapter heading that refers to "the > solution to capitalism" characterizing capitalism as a "problem" :-) > > Be interesting to see if Platt can see past that and respond to the > specific Pirsigian arguments you cite. And continues . . . ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
