Quoting Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[SA]
> I don't think intellect has failed to support
> social patterns. I think the intellect currently
> supporting social patterns is degenerative in its'
> value. Social patterns are not very valuable.
> Remember when the Pine Ridge Amerindians where dancing
> in 1890. Dancing for hope. Dancing for a dream come
> true. It lifted their spirits. They found a social
> activity that was positive to their hearts. Remember
> how the army got so scared. Oh, their dancing, they
> must be planning something. I find this approach to
> social functions to be current. The main social
> activity today is found in the workplace with other
> employees. After work, it's home to the family or out
> to the bar. On weekends a couple hours at church does
> seem to be at least more informal and more positive.
> They sing at church. People trust each other more.
> They have time to discuss with each other about their
> vacations, work, family, yard, etc... No wonder my
> wife finds church to be more a social activity than
> just a bow down to G-d activity (I don't go to church
> with her, but I've been to some before).
Don't you find it interesting that what passes for intellect today
denigrates religion as a worthwhile social pattern. Thanks for reminding
us that church can have a positive influence.
[Arlo]
> > But consider this. America, the land you hold as
> > "more free" than the
> > "socialized" regions of Canada and Europe, has a
> > much higher rate of
> > crime, violence and the "gang" activity of those
> > "inner city blacks"
> > you seem to loathe so deeply. What is it that these
> > other countries
> > are doing, that we are not, that is keeping this
> > level of "biological
> > violence" in check? Are these "socialized" regions
> > guided by a better
> > intellectual pattern than America? Does that account
> > for their ability to keep crime and violence at much
> lower
> > levels than in the
> > US? Do they "raise their children with more
> > discipline" in Canada? Do
> > the schools use "humiliation" (a tactic you recently
> > called to be used in schools here) in these areas,
> and is that
> > responsible?
According to the U.N. Summary of Crime Trends, total crimes per capita are
higher
in the socialist countries of New Zealand, Finland, Denmark, Chile and the
United Kingdom than the the U.S. So we can ignore the rest of his comments.
> All good questions. Also, Japan, a very strong
> economic society over the last 50 years. Japan's
> crime rate is very, very low.
In the above U.N. survey, Japan ranks No. 34 out of 60 countries.
> But I have difficulty
> putting together everybody gets $50 and that solves
> all the problems. That's a bit too surface of a
> solution. Something else must be going on.
Yes, by and large, Johnson's War Against Poverty has been a colossal failure
despite billions of dollars thrown at the problem. Some people just don't want
to face facts.
> Could it
> be the impression that government cares? These
> governments attempt to help their citizens get their
> basic needs and medical care. Could it be in the
> attempt, just having that loud voice declared
> throughout the country that we care and will try to
> help, and then 'things' visibly happen that people
> find this caring and visible follow through on this
> attempt to care - soothing and helpful. It is this
> support attempt. Is that all we need, a big part of
> what we need, a small part of what we need, or not
> what we need? I don't know. Just a thought. But
> then at work, we provide all the necessities for the
> youth, and we don't yell at them, are 98% of the time
> not demeaning towards them overall as staff, and do
> try to do something to help them, but we still hear so
> much from them, "Nobody cares. You guys don't care."
Since socialist countries don't do any better than the U.S. in deterring
crime, and since your residents are ungrateful for what the taxpayers
and you provide for them, the notion that "we care" can make a difference
in either crime or delinquency is a chimera.
Platt
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