Quoting Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The crux of all of this, is - without
> them wanting to change, they can slide by, hide their
> true intentions, seem all well and such, go home and
> start getting into trouble all over again.
Boy, you nailed it SA. They must want to change. Many won't until
they hit rock bottom.
[Platt]
> > I wonder. What did you think of
> > Pirsig's views on treating the mentally troubled in
> > Chapter 26 of "Lila?."
> > Did you take any ideas away from his observations
> > that helped you on the job?
>
> I'll try to review this chapter when I have time.
> Unless you can summarize some points.
Better I think you read it yourself when you have time rather than
get it second hand from me.
[Platt]
> > Is job training included in your facility? Or are
> most of the residents
> > too young?
>
> The residents do go through what's Independent
> Living Group, which prepares them for the living on
> their own. This group teaches them how to pay bills,
> write a check, write a resume, they go through a
> pretend interview (where the residents must dress
> appropriately as if they were going to a real
> interview), etc...
> Some residents get jobs while they are at the
> facility. They work off-campus or on-campus in the
> cafeteria. Yet, this is only 5% of the residents that
> go through this program. What's sadly funny is most
> residents can't behave enough to get a job while at
> the facility, but they still go home eventually.
Sounds like many are caught in a revolving door. Again, they must want
to change.
> > > > [Platt]
> > Well said, a living testament to the failure of
> amoral intellect.
>
> I agree.
>
>
> > > > > > [Platt]
> > Your experience of being on a treadmill certainly
> > indicates problems
> > beyond control It's probably presumptuous for me or
> > anyone here to
> > suggest solutions. But it seems to me if the MOQ is
> > ever to be of real
> > value, it must open avenues to answers heretofore
> > unknown or unapplied. I
> > haven't anything helpful to offer, but perhaps
> > others do.
>
> What would help is better staff. Staff are not
> trained well enough. The turn-off of staff is
> tremendously high, so a consistency problem exists.
> It takes so long for staff to learn how to do their
> jobs (1 year to be competent), but with a turn-over
> rate at about 5-6 months - well that's a big problem.
> People that are to set limits and get a chance to get
> to know the residents don't stick around and are not
> around that much. Residents thus go through more
> staff at times than fellow residents. Some staff
> don't set limits and some do. The ones that set
> limits are the bad guys and the residents don't like
> them and give them a harder time. The staff that
> don't set limits handicap the staff that do set limits
> by implanting in the minds of the residents this idea
> that some staff are just mean when it's really these
> staff that are holding the structure together on the
> unit as to avoid total chaos. What the staff that
> don't set limits provide for the residents is this
> compared relief that they wouldn't no any different if
> all staff set-limits. If all staff didn't set limits,
> then the residents wouldn't have anything to compare
> to and the residents would then NOT like sitting
> around and doing nothing or watching movies all day.
> I've seen this before. This only leads to the
> residents getting bored, and therefore they begin to
> cause more trouble. These are internal problems in
> which I have to write people up today by the way due
> to their not doing what I ask of them. I have this
> one staff who tries to reason with the residents all
> the time. Two days ago, after working here for 5
> months, he said to me, "I don't think I can reason
> with them anymore. They just never listen." The
> girls yell at him the most. They swear at him.
> Ignore him. When he asks them to do one thing, they
> do another. They have pushed their way into the staff
> office and used the telephone while he keeps saying,
> "Oh, that's not something you should be doing. Please
> don't do that." But they do, and he just lets them
> go. I've seen them push him, and walk away. They do
> this to him more than any other staff. He never backs
> up his word with any kind of action. Even if he would
> give them a consequence, which entails the resident
> quietly sitting at a table reading, drawing, or
> writing something, but he doesn't. I have to write
> him up due to another supervisor telling me he let
> them watch movies all morning yesterday and the
> residents didn't have to follow the routine at all.
> Therefore when a staff comes in to do his or her job
> that is routinely done, the residents will ho-hum and
> get mad because they have to follow the routine. The
> staff asking them to follow the routine is just doing
> the program, and then wonders why all the residents
> are so mad. When this staff found out what happened
> earlier, well then, it was a no-brainer as to why the
> residents argued and had to be prompted so many times
> to do every part of the usual routine. It makes ones
> job that much harder. Oh... it's endless.
Poor staff reflects another failure of our educational system.
> [Platt]
> > Thanks for taking the time to fill us in on the
> details of your work.
>
> Thanks for listening. I see the MoQ as a moral
> hierarchy. I noticed Pirsig discussed that the social
> level is to be help by the intellectual level and this
> is a major aspect of reality. This is why I find
> understanding the structure of the static patterns to
> be worthwhile and a big help morally in spurring what
> the MoQ reality deems as the reality - the truth of
> life's generative actions (as opposed to degenerative
> actions).
Yes, if anything, the MOQ makes me hopeful of a better world. I'm
personally amazed at what happens when I stop trying to control and
just sit back to watch DQ at work. Invariably the situation resolves
itself to my benefit.
Platt
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