Retitled thread to tease it apart from other dialogue. You have me somewhat confused. Let me recap, see where you are losing me.
First, you cite the Pirsig quote about how "crime" is up due to intellects failure to support social patterns. This would seem to indicate the stronger social patterns equals less crime, but then you cite a study indicating how America is safer than all those "socialist" European countries. Okay, I said, then if America is so safe, what's the problem. No, you said, those who live near or in areas of "large black populations" are in danger, as this is where the problem is. So, I ask. Are you saying that modern "intellect" has failed only the black communities? If its a larger metaphysical problem (the failure of intellect), why is it only "blacks" are effected by the problem? But then I wonder, why is it you bemoan the soft-treatment of Michael Vick, but rally to the defense of the guy who played Kramer? Why is your "free speech" issues always tied to things like "the right to use the word nigger". I say this to preface my next question... do you think the "inner city problems" you mention are colorblind? That is, do you think that it is the "inner city" that is the problem, or do you think that it is "blacks" that are the problem? I also recall a conversation we had about public schools, one where you once again called the state sponsorship of education "the problem". When I cited the evidence that Japan's schools are both "public" and among the top ranked in the world, you replied this was due to Japan having a "monocultural population". So, I wondered, here again the real trouble with the schools was not the "public" side of the equation, but again "the presence of blacks". So I am curious, before we continue, what exactly you think is the root cause of this "inner city crime"? Hopelessness? Poverty? A violent culture? And if these things only effect "blacks" and not "whites", if "intellect" has only failed for the "blacks" in our country, but not the whites, why you think that is? In other words, is this a "problem" or a "black problem"? Finally, are there any other solutions you'd think would help, other than "cracking down with police", humiliating kids in school, and discipline in the homes? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
