> [Ham previously said to Ant]:
> > Sorry, Ant, but SOM is part of any philosophy --
> > even the MoQ. I accept the Buddhist view that the
> "I"
> > or Self is negational or illusory. Nevertheless,
> it is the
> > active agent in the differentiated (conditional)
> world
> > that we all share, and there is no way we can live
> out
> > our existence without it.
>
> [SA previously]:
> > Ham, referring to "Nevertheless, it is the active
> > agent..." First off, do you mean THE "active
> agent".
> > If so, I disagree and so do earthquakes. But that
> is
> > too simple, and I don't think you meant THE.
> > Secondly, the "Self" is an "active agent" in the
> > MoQ. It is why dq is sq. Dq is changing, and
> shows
> > how sq is really a process. The MoQ doesn't live
> > "without it". This "Self" is static quality.
[Ham]
> Yes, I do mean THE active agent. Earthquakes and
> other natural events are
> not "agents"; they are the objects of experience --
> intellectualized
> constructs of an otherness which is universal but is
> perceived
> differentially by the proprietary self.
Earthquakes carry our perspectives into
experiences we would NOT have if earthquakes were NOT
here.
[Ham]
> Primary value is not a "process",
> but its differentiated awareness is. Since
> everything in the natural world
> is perceived by the self as in process, and all
> perception is experienced in
> time, how can self awareness be "static"?
Your viewing self-awareness not the static pattern
now. Your question is viewing self awareness with the
understanding of dynamic quality.
> [SA previously]:
> > I agree with this Ham...
[Ham]
> We would probably agree on more, if you would not
> try so hard to fit your concepts into the MoQ mold.
Of course. If I tried to fit my concepts with
your thesis, then I would be conceptualizing within
your thesis. But, I don't understand your thesis. My
experience before the MOQ allowed me to fit right into
the MOQ. My experience before your thesis doesn't fit
into your thesis.
thanks.
woods,
SA
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