> > [SA previously]
> > It is what I call: dq is sq, and sq is dq.
> > Here's a quote from the SODV paper as follows:
> > "In this diagram you will notice that
> Dynamic Quality is not
>
> > shown in any block. It is in the background. This
> seems the best way
> > to represent it. It is not only outside the
> blocks, Page 14 it
> > pervades them but it goes on where the blocks
> leave off."
> > - SODV; Pirsig
> > This is how intellectual values last as long
> as it is valued.
> > Social values as long as they are valued.
> > Organic... valued.
> > Inorganic... valued.
> > Change is the motto here. This part of the
> article goes on to say as
> > follows:
> > "The blocks are organized in the order of
> evolution, with each
> > higher block more recent and more Dynamic than the
> lower ones."
> > - SODV; Pirsig
> > [Ron]
> > You do realize what is happening here, we can not
> communicate the concept of pre-conceptual using
> conceptual terms. This
> why we're
> > having a difficult time discussing it. We are
> intellectualizing pre-
> > intellect. crazy.
> > Thanks SA
> > woods
> [SA]
> Yes, "We are intellectualizing pre-intellect",
> and this kind of
> intellectualizing is not SOM.
> [Ron]
> How can you know this?
Know what?
[Ron]
> we are dealing with concepts not experience itself.
Well, if your not experiencing what I quoted from
you as follows: "We are intellectualizing
pre-intellect", then I don't think you really know
what your saying in your bones and blood, so, no
matter what I say you'll be hesitant.
SA
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