> [Arlo had said previously]
> Child: I am real, you are an illusion. [Soliptic
> thinking]
>
> Adult: We are both real. [S/O thinking]
>
> Zen Adult: We are both illusions. [Buddhist
> thinking]
>
> MOQ Adult: Okay, so we are philosophically both
> illusions, but how
> can we make use of this illusion to build
> rotisseries, maintain our
> motorcycles and sail our boats in the best way
> possible.
>
> [Arlo adds]
> Gah! I forgot to mention the reason for this
> addition.
>
> I think the real-illusion-real cycle Marsha mentions
> is the
> "adult-zen adult-moq adult" cycle above.
>
> The illusion-real-illusion cycle I mention is the
> "child-adult-zen adult".
> So you see these are not contradictory, simply
> different in terms of
> where you start with that analytic knife.
Yes, I agree, it is "where you start with that
analytic knife", which is why I said, "As always it
seems, context drove this line-up."
As to philosophically self is an illusion, and
pragmatically self is real, it is using this
illusion/real premise that is breaking down the
communication here, as we well know.
SA
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