Thanks for the quotes, SA; for dynamic quality to act there has to be freedom for movement.
The quotes from Chapters 11 and 12 seem contradictory though; in 11 the freedom is moving upwards, while in 12 down. The Dalai has lived a thousand years to my 52, metaphorically speaking. Calmer, calmer -Peter On 16/10/2007, Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [Peter] > > I don't understand the connection you are trying to > > prompt between the > > Dalai's use of the word 'freedom' and the moq's > > dynamic quality. Are you > > suggesting they are the same? > > [SA quotes from Lila] > > [Ch. 3] > "Freedom. That was the topic that would drive > home this whole understanding of Indians. Of all the > topics his slips on Indians covered, freedom was the > most important." > > > [Ch. 9] > "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting > edge of reality, the source of all things, completely > simple and always new. It was the moral force that had > motivated the brujo in Zuni. It contains no pattern of > fixed rewards and punishments. Its only perceived good > is freedom..." > > [Ch. 11] > "But in a value-centered explanation of evolution > they are close to the Dynamic process itself, pulling > the pattern of life forward to greater levels of > versatility and freedom." > > [Ch. 12] > "A primary occupation of every level of evolution > seems to be offering freedom to lower levels of > evolution." > > [Ch. 17] > "'Freedom' doesn't mean anything. Freedom's just > an escape from something negative. The real reason > it's so hallowed is that when people talk about it > they mean Dynamic Quality." > > > I don't feel like finding more quotes, but what > do you think? > > [Peter] > > I didn't get much beyond the first phrase in the > > clip Marsha posted; 'To > > attain freedom...'. > > He talks from a position of authority as if he > > already has this freedom and > > so he can advise you about it. Freedom for what I > > ask again? Freedom against > > the Chinese - obviously not? Freedom from suffering? > > > He is asking for more autonomy for the Tibetan > people. Any teacher can be seen as in a position of > authority. Parents are in positions of authority. No > big deal. > > > [Peter] > > I think most people will subliminally equate the > > Dalai's use of the word > > 'freedom' with salvation from oblivion, and that I > > can't go along with. The > > inorganic matter that forms the substrate for that > > Lama's sense of > > individuality will one day be absorbed back into the > > dirt. Buddhism, like > > Christianity and Islam, promises life after death; > > realising the lie in that > > is one of the biggest steps to freedom you can take. > > Ok. I'm not too keen on the whole life after > death stuff. I know we are living. I don't know > beyond that. > > woods, > SA > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! > Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
