Hi Peter, SA and all, I know I don't contribute all of the time; but I really love keeping up with the newsgroup. I've read Lila and (most of) zmm.
I enjoyed Marsha's post of the Dalai Lama quote. Does anyone remember seeing a National Geographic a few years back that had a picture of a (I think, meditating) Tibetan monk on it with the question: "Is this man happier than us all?" or something like that.. (I know it's a bad paraphrase)... what do you mean by 'salvation from oblivion'. What is oblivion (to you)? I've read that the Tibetan's have recorded (and can apparently converse about, knowingly, with each other) 17 different identifiable levels of consciousness. If one is able, in one of these elevated levels of consciousness - to perceive their 'ego self' as a separate self; acknowledge the desires and reactions of this ego self and choose to act on them or not (rather than 'react' to stimulus) - then isn't that some level of freedom? isn't our need to question our reality metaphysically really just one of the desires of the ego? I'm just wondering if this isn't what the Dalai Lama meant in that quote - I didn't really feel that it was necessarily about freedom in a life/death/salvation kind of way. what is freedom? margaret > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Peter Corteen > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:39 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MD] The Dalai Lama's advice > > > Hi SA, > > I don't understand the connection you are trying to prompt > between the Dalai's use of the word 'freedom' and the moq's > dynamic quality. Are you suggesting they are the same? > > I didn't get much beyond the first phrase in the clip Marsha > posted; 'To attain freedom...'. He talks from a position of > authority as if he already has this freedom and so he can > advise you about it. Freedom for what I ask again? Freedom > against the Chinese - obviously not? Freedom from suffering? > > I think most people will subliminally equate the Dalai's use > of the word 'freedom' with salvation from oblivion, and that > I can't go along with. The inorganic matter that forms the > substrate for that Lama's sense of individuality will one day > be absorbed back into the dirt. Buddhism, like Christianity > and Islam, promises life after death; realising the lie in > that is one of the biggest steps to freedom you can take. > > Regards > > -Peter > On 16/10/2007, Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [Peter] > > > What does the Dalai mean when he says freedom? > > > > The moq is a good bridge in-between the east and > > the west in terms of helpful clarification. The > > Amerindians are in the middle of this, too. Anyways, > > by understanding the moq, Peter, you can also > > understand what the Dalai Lama means by freedom. So, > > what does the moq mean by dynamic quality? > > > > > > SA > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________ > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your > pocket: mail, > > news, photos & more. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.11/1071 - Release > Date: 10/15/2007 6:48 AM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
