Bo, you said ... [Quote] It's plain that "Science" is a way of avoiding saying "the intellectual level". That science is SOM's chief pattern is also plain, ergo: SOM= Intellect. I know you will insist on SOM/science as merely one intellectual pattern, but Pirsig says explicitly that science is what's in conflict with social values, and we know that it is the intellectial LEVEL that opposes the social LEVEL, thus there can't be different (from S/O) intellectual patterns .. less intellect turns into a mental vessel that contains ideas .... as in SOM.
Why Pirsig didn't admit this obvious thing is a mystery, but I guess it hinges on his notion of the MOQ as an intellectual pattern, all of which has brought the MOQ into trouble. [Unquote] Excellent summary IMHO. For me the "problem" of seeing MoQ as an intellectual pattern, is the apparent circularity. If MoQ is more than SOM and SOM is Intellect, how can MoQ be an intellectual pattern. But for me that's easy;- MoQ is an evolutionary form of intellect - one that requires cycles to evolve to be more than SOM. Closed logic is dead, circular logic evolves. This point BTW is exactly what Friends of Wisdom (Nick Maxwell) is about - getting "science" to realise that pure (basic) empiricism, whilst crucial to its methods, is not the whole story of evolving knowledge (aka wisdom). Ian Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
