Hi Spiritual.
1 Nov. you wrote:
[Bo stated to Ham]
> > You don't see value as intellectual, and that's right: Intellect is
> > supposed to be seen as value.
> Thus, intellect is quality. quality is value is moral Bo, this is
> where I believe the distinction between your view and my view takes
> place.
What the inscrutable Ham means by "not seeing value as
intellectual" I leave to the wind, I just commented that the MOQ'a
intellect is a static value level. This and the fact that there are
other terms for quality ("value", "morals" and "goodness") is plain,
but how it's possible to differ over this point is beyond me.
However, I believe that the definition of the term "intellect" is
what all is about. Pirsig doesn't really define any level and the
first 3 are self-evident, although a "static inorganic pattern" is
worlds apart from "matter", this difference can be compared to
the shift from the old Ptolemaian cosmology to the Copernican"
about which Pirsig says in ZAMM "everything changed yet all
remained the same", and so on upwards through the Q hierarchy.
But when it comes to the 4th. level the problem is that the term
has an erroneous definition among the general public different
from the correct dictionary one. The former is more close to
"intelligence" while the latter is the correct S/O one, and when
this error is transferred to the MOQ it creates confusion. My
Oxford Advanced says about INTELLECT:
"Power of the mind to reason contrasted with feeling and
instinct."
Mind we may drop - what is not power of mind? REASON (I know
no other reason than the objective kind) contrasted with
FEELING and what's more subjective than emotions?) Instinct
(biology) we may drop in this context.
In other words intellect is the distinction between what's objective
and what's subjective - the S/O. I've pointed to since God knows
when, but it's water on a goose's back. Intellect to you (all) is all
mental activity, thus when an animal shows great prowess and
people of old made up mythologies around their social/emotional
reality it was "intellect".
This is American and English, but exactly the same
misconception is found in my native Norwegian and I guess in all
Indo-European Languages.
Bo
Moq_Discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
