Ron said to DMB: I feel it is important to Establish just what is meant by Pre-intellect in relation to: 1. Pure experience 2. Pre-conceptual 3. Pre-reflective 4. symbol creation 5. Symbol recognition 6. symbol manipulation
DMB said: As I understand it, the term "pre-intellectual" is equivalent to one, two and three. They all refer to the same basic idea. They all refer to a type of experience that is prior to four, five and six. The creation, recognition, manipulation or any other use of symbols is an intellectual activity, part of our conceptualizations and occur in reflection. So all of the terms are related to pre-intellectual experience. The first half are and the second half are not pre-intellectual. Its really that simple. Matt: As simple as it is, I think more conversation should be involved in talking about what it is and is not. In an MD post that I later expanded, I tried to distinguish between some of the uses of Dynamic Quality in an effort to help heighten awareness of the kinds of things involved: http://pirsigaffliction.blogspot.com/2006/04/dynamic-quality-as-pre-intellectual.html Matt _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
