Hi Bo (and Ron et al) Thanks for responding ... Bo I actually believe most of our difference is lingusitic, simply terminological, still ...For example (inserted)
Bo > > And as Ian agrees he ought to be right too, but then it sounds as > if there are other intellectual pattern that are subservient to SOM. > This makes intellect=ideas, the very obstacle to understanding > the MOQ > IG Hmm, no, here "intellect" is GOF-Intellect, SOMist intellect. Wider Quality-Intellect is indeed much more Bo > > Right, SOM is "objectivism", but it is "subjectivism" too as the > necessary opposite. And from SOM's premises theories that > postulates that "all is mind", "in our heads" ...etc. can be (and > constantly is) formulated. This is an important point in > understanding MOQ's enormity, > IG Well yes, saying objectivism, is to make the distinction re subjects. Bo > > Ian can't but cancel all he has said before ;-) Now SOM is "more > a cultural pattern than simply intellectual". What's not culture? > Bacteria is also a "culture". Keep the MOQ simple or it collapses > into nonsense. Social value is that of individuals joining in a > common cause. Intellectual value is the Subject/Object > distinction. > IG No, just terminolgy - we can generalise all meanings to indistinct meaningless if we want ;-) By "culture" I am talking about socio-politico-intellectual culture - the amalgam of what we are trying to refer to as social and intellectual. (The "word" culture has many other potential uses.) Bo> > But please understand that society ISN'T subjective and intellect > isn't objective, this is seen from SOM. IG - Agree ... no confusion there .... society is about "authority" and "convention" Bo > From MOQ seen the 4th > levels value is the very subject/object distinction. The 3rd. level is > before this distinction thus does not know any S/O, it's value is > the said "common cause". > IG Back to our only recurring point of contention I believe - you want to keep level 4 simple - for it to mean simply SOMism. I say SOMism just part of Level-4 (and Level-3 combined) and which continues to evolve away from GOF-SOM-Intellect to higher more enlightened quality forms of "reason" ... > Enough IG - Agreed. > > Bo > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
