Hi Bo, Just terminology again .... which things we're applying which words to.
By level 4 I just mean level(s) above 3. If you want to keep 4 simple as "GOF-Intellect", then I would say allow a level 5 for more enlightened intellect(s). MOQ defining itself and its future evolution. I just resist the idea that what we are talking about - intellect - is fixed for all time ... that would be anathema to MOQ itself. Ian On 11/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian > > 7 Nov. you wrote: > > (Bo) > > > And as Ian agrees he ought to be right too, but then it sounds as if > > > there are other intellectual pattern that are subservient to SOM. > > > This makes intellect=ideas, the very obstacle to understanding the > > > MOQ > > > IG > > Hmm, no, here "intellect" is GOF-Intellect, SOMist intellect. Wider > > Quality-Intellect is indeed much more > > The problem is transferring the limitless SOM-intellect (=mind) to > the MOQ where the 4th. level is limited to the S/O distinction > (there are countless derivative, yet "limited" in the said sense) > All static levels are limited - that's the very idea - so why should > the 4th. be limitless? > > > IG > > Well yes, saying objectivism, is to make the distinction re subjects. > > Fine, I may be a bit pedantic ;-) > > > IG > > Back to our only recurring point of contention I believe - you want to > > keep level 4 simple - for it to mean simply SOMism. I say SOMism just > > part of Level-4 (and Level-3 combined) and which continues to evolve > > away from GOF-SOM-Intellect to higher more enlightened quality forms > > of "reason" ... > > Looking back on ZAMM from the MOQ the Greek part is about > the emergence of SOM, that much we agree on ..no? If so what > is the Aretê that SOM displaces? These things must have a level > relevance ...no? > > To me it's about intellect's emergence from its social origin, no > twist of logic can turn it into the social level spawning a "social > SOM" that becomes an "intellectual SOM".......if not this means > you applying the MOQ tenet of a level starting as a rebel pattern > of the former before taking off on a purpose of its own. If so we > have agreement. > > Bo > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
