Bo, DMB, (and Ron, SA, David M et al) I had also agreed "just right", so you two are both missing my point.
"Little to distinguish" was perhaps misleading .... my apologies. Obviously I recognise those same social and intellectual differences. My point is that those differences do not point at any clear "distinct" dividing line between the two. Between emotion and reason. One man's reason is another man's emotion, when you get to contentius, borderline cases. It is the socio-intellectual continuum - culture - that decides what is intellectual (reasoned) and what is social (emotional). As I said also to David M, pointing out that lack of distinct definitional dividing line, is not a problem for me, because I don't believe there is one ... that's my point. The reason I was pursuing the argument, Bo, was as you know, because I am struggling to accept Level 4 as being well defined simply by being SOM, because amongst other things I'm struggling with accepting Level 4 as "well defined" at all. A good point of DMB's was that "I know it" (Levels 3 and 4) even though they are undefined ... a much more interesting point in itself. Another good point of DMB's was that seeing Level 4 as SOM and level 3 as various state oppressions, is probably a valid idea from a historical perspective .... I'd agree .... but not much of a clear definition .... not that I'm expecting to find one .... just looking to conlcude that there isn't one. Be good Bo, if you could try to confirm your understanding of my point, before we debate further. Ian On 11/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DMB and Group! > > On 14 Nov. you wrote (to Ian who had written): > > > For me this just further illustrates that there is very little to > > distinguish social and intellectual level patterns. > > > dmb says: > > Really? Then where would you locate the intellectual quality of the > > statement, "I love my country" and where would you locate the social > > level value of the equation E=mc2? Is a book-burning an intellectual > > event because books are involved? > > Dave, you're "my man". Just this small gem demonstrates what > the the social/intellectual distinction is about. Social value's > expression (I call) is EMOTIONS and the phrase "I love my > country" (right or wrong) is telling for this attitude. Intellect's > expression" - REASON - and its primary pattern science's > E=MC2 is just as telling. > > .... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
